I’m fannying around choosing another groupset for an unnecessary n+1 road bike. I bought a very nice frame in a sale last year and just feel the need to build it up (but not part with the old one obviously…).
I can’t decide on the groupset. My nice bike has Ultegra 6700. I don’t want 105 cos it’s not nice enough. I keep just about buying DA but but but. I looked at Force today and it’s only 80g more than DA but nearly half the cost. Campag looks nice but is dearer again…
Looks like I’m heading for Force and lopping a massive 80g off elsewhere.
What would you do?
<edit> mechanical not interested in electrickeryPosted 3 years agomunksterMember
I suppose I was looking for someone to talk me out if DA and into Force…
I will if you like!! I converted to SRAM (Rival) about two years ago and c.6000 miles later it’s still working great (famous last words, see above). If I change the groupset any time soon it is likely to be for Force.
For the money buying Force over DA you save you could build yourself some nice DA hubbed wheels, mmmm (that’s what I’m doing!!) 😉
(YMMV though, as has been suggested)
That person would need to be crazy.
Guess I must be crazy… 😆Posted 3 years agoplus oneMember
The new dura ace 9000 is stunning and lovely to use I ran it for 6 months if you have the cash it’s the one !!!
If I were you I’d pick up an older dura ace 7800 groupset or just pick up bits off bay etc to build one .. Still a very very good groupset way better than 7900 ..Posted 3 years ago
I’m going to buy new. Don’t really fancy 6800 as I have 6700 on one bike and it’s not different enough. 80g more than DA and £400 less is a compelling argument for Force assuming both DA and Force work well. Chorus is near enough the same weight as Force but at least £200 more.
What am I missing?Posted 3 years agoneilsonwheelsMember
I don’t want 105 cos it’s not nice enough.
5800 is amazing and no different to 6800 apart from a few grams and £200. For me the wheels make the difference not the groupset. Smart money would buy 5800 but if I was shitting money then I would go dura without question. Ultegra is nice but the extra £200 is not justifiable over 5800.
Don’t really fancy 6800 as I have 6700 on one bike and it’s not different enough.
Really.? Really really.? It’s completely different. Maybe not to look at but to ride it couldn’t be more different if it tried.Posted 3 years ago
I have 5800 on another bike and, yes, it’s nice.
I wouldn’t say I’m shitting money but I do seem to baulk at an extra £400 for seemingly 80g. I’ve only done a couple of thousand miles on my current 6700 group so that’s not getting changed yet. Wheels are sorted. I have a pair of Ksyrium Elite’s and a pair of Reynolds Assault’s. I’m not spending any money there.
So I’m in the market for Dura or Force or Chorus or Record… <sigh>
Blazin: YGMPosted 3 years agoTiRedMember
Dura Ace is the pinnacle of manual shifting. It really is amazing. New 105 is not the pinnacle but offers at least 80% of the performance. It is a step up from 6700. If you are happy with 6700 then DA will blow you away and leave a huge smile on your face.
I’ve just moved my 6700 to the race bike and put DA on the nice bike. Next year i’ll go to Di2 on the race bike. DA will be on the nice. Bike for a VERY long time.
As for SRAM. Don’t like the shifters. Campag – that’s sora shifting for ultegra money :-). (my last bike was Campag btw – it’s fine)Posted 3 years agoneilsonwheelsMember
Slight hijack, but what is the difference in performance, if any, between a 5800 rear mech and an ultegra 6800 one ?
The colour and a few grams separate them. Functionally I don’t think you would notice the difference just by swapping the mech. If you were to couple it with the Ultegra shiters then maybe, just maybe you would notice a difference.Posted 3 years agomrchrispyMember
I’m toying with the idea of a scott cr1 frame and dressing it with 6870 di2. there are some pretty good deals about at the moment on both.
dont really need a new fancy pants racer and what i should really do is save the money and wait for disks to sort themselves out next year before investing.Posted 3 years agobm0p700fMember
The new 5800 and 6800 groupsets are excellent it hard to find faults really. Campagnolo groupsets may be more expensive but every thing they make just works. I have an old record 10 speed groupset and it performs like 6800 does but it is 10 years old. I wouldn’t touch SRAM kit but i admit that is a bit of snobbery apart from the fact i cant stand double tap. So buy Shimano if you want reliable performance without a big spend. Buy Campagnolo if you want pretty, reliable and performance Apart from those new four arm chainsets cant get used to those.Posted 3 years ago
I think it I’m down to DA at £900 or Force at £500. For me, Force may not be quite as nice as DA but it works well enough and is only 80g heavier. It’s also quite different from and ~250g lighter than 6700 which attracts me.
I think I feel the Force and I’ll spend the £400 saved on crisps and pasties a la Hora 🙂Posted 3 years ago
Errrm well, errrm. Yes 🙂
I quite liked the thought of Force and saving £400 but I want to build a really nice bike and Force looks a bit industrial. I’m sure it’s very nice. I think the correct answer was actually ‘Super Record’ but all my other kit is Shim/Sram and the £££’s, oh the bloody £££’s.
This will give me something to do rather than riding the bloody things 🙂Posted 3 years ago
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