RIP Tony Benn

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  • RIP Tony Benn
  • Premier Icon kimbers
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    ninfan – Member

    You mean ‘Thanks to Conservative minster Julian Amory for the ‘no get-out’ clause he negotiated with the French’?

    Tony tried to cancel it….. if it went over budget

    a tacit agreement that if a ceiling of pounds 600m in development costs was exceeded Concorde could be terminated.

    which sounds perfectly sensible to me-
    you should try reading your own links properly ninfan

    anyway RIP, if I smoked a pipe id be packing one for Tony!

    For those who subscribe, there is a touching if rather sad piece reviewing his diaries back in October last year in the FT

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/497d5f26-3a62-11e3-b234-00144feab7de.html#axzz2vVPnnuaL

    Quite thought provoking like the man himself.

    On Mrs T, the article notes his “reluctant” admiration in the words, she was a “political signpost, not a weather vane.” Too many weather vanes these days.

    bencooper
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    And yes, Tony Benn really admired Thatcher

    That’s exactly the point – he admired her because she had principles and stuck by them, unlike the spineless bunch of wimps we’ve got now – but he despised her principles.

    jools182
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    I had a lot of respect for him

    He stuck to his principles

    It’s a pity there are not more politicians like him

    RIP

    IHN
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    And yes, Tony Benn really admired Thatcher

    I was there, in the room, when he said it, so either I’m lying, he was lying, or you’re refusing to believe it’s what he said.

    johndoh
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    I woke to hear the news this morning but mis-heard it as Tony Blair.

    I think I would prefer it that way.

    Bazz
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    Sad day, probably the only politician that i’ve ever made a point of listening to, even if i didn’t always agree with everything he said.

    grum
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    I was there, in the room, when he said it, so either I’m lying, he was lying, or you’re refusing to believe it’s what he said.

    I”m not saying he didn’t say it – I just think it’s a bit strange/disingenuous to mention it without any kind of context.

    IHN
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    I just think it’s a bit strange/disingenuous to mention it without any kind of context.

    Fair enough, I thought I had; it was within the context of modern politicians not really believing in anything whereas Mrs T at least did. I took it as read that folks would know that he didn’t agree with her beliefs…

    toxicsoks
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    Total, principled legend.
    RIP, comrade. 🙁

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Sky News showing some respect;

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    I never agreed with his politics, but respected the way he stuck to his principles. A very clever and classy guy, from an age when politics was about beliefs and not personalities.

    If only the current generation of halfwits were half the man (or woman) that he wad.

    Mr Woppit
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    “Lord” Kinnock, eh?

    See what you did there…

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk&feature=share[/video]

    A man with a great deal of integrity no matter what you thought of his political stance. It’s a shame that so few modern political figures share that trait. He was a decent human being.

    ‘Well, I don’t believe you should attack people personally,’ he says. ‘My father taught me that. Democracy is about competing opinion, but you don’t have to be nasty about it. The personality side of things switches me off completely. I stopped reading the papers when they were full of all these personal attacks on Gordon Brown. What matters is what is done, not who does it.’

    Thus he could respect Thatcher. I doubt he admired her tbh, but we’d just be guessing. He’s said plenty about her over the years, but he’s never been anything but impeccably polite.

    headfirst
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    Tony Benn: the only thing political that me (a lefty) and my dad (a raging tory) can agree on, in him being a man to admire and respect. My dad’s read all his diaries!

    Genuine sense of sadness today, RIP.

    Deveron53
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    The only politician to keep his integrity with Ali G.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YYroSudUs[/video]

    Premier Icon chakaping
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    Oh god, not Toby Benn as well!

    Premier Icon chakaping
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    it’s easy being a socialist when money worries aren’t a problem and the family name and estate are secure for future generations, eh!

    Not as easy as being an internet troll when you have nothing more worthwhile to occupy your life though.

    Pigface
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    Toby gone, gone Toby, dear Toby, dear dear Toby

    konabunny
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    The only politician to keep his integrity with Ali G.

    I can’t play the video but I seem to remember he was the only one that took Ali G to task for his sexist comments? It seems silly but I think that was a significant moment: it showed that he wasn’t going to let it go unchallenged – and compare that to all the other people who were interested in getting their fizzog on the gogglebox.

    Edukator
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    Whilst I always found Sir Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn entertaining to listen to and felt his heart was in the right place, I couldn’t help feeling the his presence did nothing for whatever cause he was fighting. A peer giving up his peerage to become a left-wing politician was never going to gain popular acceptance in the class-led political battles of the sixties and seventies. Even when he laudably lent his pacifist voice to the anti-gulf war movement I couldn’t help thinking that war was then inevitable.

    As for RIP. He was always in favour of peace but I hope there are some good intellectual sparring partners in heaven to get him fired up, I suspect many of his opponents ended up in the other place.

    grum
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    Not as easy as being an internet troll when you have nothing more worthwhile to occupy your life though.

    Pwned.

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    My two pen’orth:

    Heard him speak in Manchester in 2006. Even late in life, his power of logic and oratory was superb.

    My English teacher was called Anthony Benn. Known universally by staff and pupils alike as “Wedgie”.

    ninfan
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    Pwned.

    And the best bit is, your taxes pay for it

    rock on socialism 8)

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    Indeed RIP, sad but hey, bloody good bloke 😀

    🙂

    [video]http://youtu.be/ByW_70gFf4o[/video]

    butcher
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    The only politician I’ve ever liked. Farewell Mr Benn.

    noteeth
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    “If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people.”

    Indeed. Rest easy, Mr Benn.

    Nice clip kimbers. His story about the Thatcherite train ending up a socialist train reminded me of this :

    The Myth of Human Nature

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Est6nay4Z5E&list=UUYv_csqWJTSfQK3vOZDJKQw[/video]

    tiggs121
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    Proper politician, genuine man of and for the people, spoke his mind, didn’t change his beliefs for popularity, oratory genius, easy to listen to and understand, never ducked a question or issue, TOP MAN!

    One of the saddest days for this country.

    I wonder he made of this posh 6th form Etonian social club that we are currently saddled with? Not much I expect!

    RIP fella.

    You know your kids are always within earshot: This morning I turned up the radio when it reported Benn had died and I must have made a sad face my daughter (11yo) said “is that Tony Blair?” I made another face and said “no” and she asked “do you wish Tony Blair was dead then?”

    “Well….” I replied.

    Who is Benn’s spiritual successor then? George Galloway?!

    muzz
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    Great, great man and gentleman.

    mefty
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    A very good spreaker, a long winded diarist and an ineffectual politician.

    oldboy
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    He was possibly the original champagne socialist, but I couldn’t fault his complete commitment to his cause and his personal integrity would put every modern politician to shame. RIP.

    an ineffectual politician

    Really ? Why ?……because he didn’t become prime minister ?

    Few politicians reach the position of cabinet minister, he did. He had significant influence both in government and within the Labour Party.

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    desperately sad news we have lost a decent honest human being who lived what he believed. some of the stuff may have been bonkers but he believed in it didnt change his views because the wind changed direction or to suit personal ambition. i m tony benn i m a socialist every one knew that his opinion was considered and carried conviction.

    a true giant of british politics cannot imagine saying that about anyone else alive today.. RIP

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Unexpected musical collaborations, Mull Historical Society and Tony Benn…

    “We the people” they all say
    But do they treat us thus?
    Or are we units in a game they play
    Men, Women, Black and White
    Rich, Poor, Young, Old, Straight or Gay
    Defined and safely filed away
    For Pollsters, Salesmen and MPs
    To be bought or bribed to make them rich
    Or Enemies who must be killed
    People are made of flesh and blood
    with hearts and minds and hopes
    and fears, and all just want a Life
    Which we must nurture to survive.
    We have the power to end the world
    We have the power to save the world
    The Choice is ours: It is a Moral Choice
    To work together in both Peace and Love
    We must break Free and be ourselves
    There lies the hope for all the human race.

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