- Richard Dawkins reads STW forum shocker!!
Indeed, from the article:
"The lawyers believe they can ask the Crown Prosecution Service to initiate criminal proceedings against the Pope, launch their own civil action against him or refer his case to the International Criminal Court."
If they can make a decent case to the CPS then he'll be detained. Dawkins doesn't have to run up to him and slap the cuffs on himself.Posted 9 years ago
And do you really think that's going to happen? Course it's not, and Dawkins etc know that.
Shameful, that they're using this situation to further their own careers… 🙁
EDIT: If they were actually sincere in wanting to highlight this nasty mess, then there's probably far better ways to do it. Why not go and talk to Catholic groups, other religions, set up a media campaign, organise protests, etc?Posted 9 years agoMarkSubscriber
He's not going to succeed in this action. He knows that. It's not the point. He's questioning the infallibilty of the church. The state won't do that so I'm thankful that someone is prepared to raise the questions. I can think of no better way to do it than this. It's publicity this issue needs so that we all get to debate it and consider the issues and question the people in power. That's the way we keep them in check. The result of all this publicity, opinion and debate will be a more careful church. My hope is that the risks to young children through abuse by the church will decrease as a result of all this publicity.Posted 9 years ago
He's questioning the infallibilty of the church. The state won't do that so I'm thankful that someone is prepared to raise the questions
Loads of people have done this. Including the Archbishop of Canterbury, as well as many Catholics. The shockwaves from this will take a long time to settle down, if ever. I'm not condoning the actions of the Pope, indeed the Vatican has acted disgracefully over this whole affair.Posted 9 years ago
Shame that no-one in a prominent position can make comment/do things without the cynics assuming (rightly or wrongly) that it's for their own good.
The politicians should be backing Dawkins on this, but they will try to stay out of it as it is a dangerous vote-loser.
So arguably prominent people are ignoring it to further their careers, which is far more shameful.Posted 9 years agojohnnersMember
He's questioning the infallibilty of the church
No need, the Catholic church doesn't claim to be infallible. The Pope occasionally claims infallibility, but only rarely and when speaking ex cathedra on doctrinal matters. This whole foul coverup is administrative, not a matter of doctrine.Posted 9 years ago
Yes, the leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, perhaps, as surely it's their job to oversee things which affect them. And they wouldn't be doing it for money.
Dawkins and his cronies are using this as the perfect opportunity to attack the Catholic Church at a time when it's been wounded, in order to further their own 'beliefs' and careers. Dawkins whole career is based around attacking religion, and promoting his own views as superior. He revels in the exalted status his electrolytes have placed him. He is not different to any other 'religious leader'.Posted 9 years ago
Yes, the leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland
So if he doesn't step up then no one should?
And surely if he did step up then he would obviously just be doing it to further the amount of power he had in the church?
Dawkins whole career is based around attacking religion,
Not how I see it. He is an Evolutionary Biologist who wrote some excellent popular science books on evolution and Darwinism, who then had to defend his position in public debate, which got him more and more entrenched until he became "Darwin's Rottweiler".
His subsequent promotion of humanism and questioning of religion seems to me to be a pretty fair response.
But all this is irrelevant. He is in a position to rally public support and finance lawyers to look at this. It will probably come to nothing legally, but hopefully it will make the Catholic church (and any other such body) re-evaluate how they deal with claims of abuse etc.
Which is a good thing.Posted 9 years ago
the leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, perhaps, as surely it's their job to oversee things which affect them. And they wouldn't be doing it for money.
You really think that the Church in Ireland will raise a case against their spiritually infallible leader annointed by god…and I thought Christians were naivePosted 9 years ago
Also Ireland has nothing to do with it. The fiddler priest in this case was Rev Kiesle of San Francisco who was sentenced to three years of probation for lewd conduct with two young boys in 1978.
The Pope, then Cardinal, recommended "as much paternal care as possible" for Kiesle, and wrote that he shouldn't be defrocked for the "good of the universal Church".
Kiesle went on to re-offend and was sentenced to six years in prison in 2004 after admitting molesting a young girl in 1995.Posted 9 years agoBillyWhizzMember
Dawkins and his cronies are using this as the perfect opportunity to attack the Catholic Church at a time when it's been wounded, in order to further their own 'beliefs' and careers
The Catholic Church has been wounded? Are you on drugs or something? The Catholic Church has been sexually abusing children and then, at the highest levels possible, covering it up!!!
They should be in prison – not in **** church.Posted 9 years ago
You really think that the Church in Ireland will raise a case against their spiritually infallible leader annointed by god…and I thought Christians were naive
No, I don't. but I was asked who I thought should make a stand. Seeing as many abuses have taken place in Ireland, then that would be an appropriate person to make a stand. I accept that this will sadly not happen.
I have no problem with Dawkins making a living; but if religion didn't exist, then he'd have to find something else to rant about. He loves it; he gets the attention he craves, loads of money, and a load of dewey-eyed followers. His views are no more or less valid than anyone else's, and less valid than mine. 😀Posted 9 years ago
he Catholic Church has been sexually abusing children
Wrong. Members of the Catholic Church have been sexually abusing children. The Vatican is guilty of not dealing with this in an appropriate, open and honest manner.
If any organisation has the 'right' to make a stand, then it's the NSPCC, and suchlike. And I'm sure they have, in their own way.
If anything, Dawkins is perhaps detracting attention away from the good work such organisations are doing.Posted 9 years ago
think dawkins is bright enough to make a living from his wits without religion.Posted 9 years ago
Seriously though what better target was there for the Professor of popular sceince to debunk/attack than regligion? It is seriously without credibiilty or objective eveidence as a theroy of explaining the world yet is believed by the majority of the planet.
He is not different to any other 'religious leader'.
but if religion didn't exist, then he'd have to find something else to rant about.
Really? He seems to have made a good living "ranting" about lots of other interesting stuff. I am sure he would not starve. The exalted paedophile however appears to have only "one string to his bow"Posted 9 years ago
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