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  • DenDennis
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    in my experience, jumping the red just before its about to go green is the absolute WORST time to do it, particularly at urban crossroads. Why?

    because on the opposite sequence, just as you dont expect it, some tipper truck is hitting the floor with his accelerator cos his green has just gone amber… DONT DO IT KIDS, stay safe.

    RLJ a ped crossing with no peds? i have been known.
    RLJ a left turn on red? yep. i have been known. when safe. just like ‘murca.

    butcher
    Member

    Or that one day they’ll get their judgement wrong, not spot the car/lorry/another RLJing rider and leave the scene in an ambulance…

    You could make this mistake in judgement at any junction without lights. Should you wait until they erect some?

    brakes
    Member

    Thanks and perhaps you’re right, but it’s a safe and effective way to travel on a bike in traffic

    safe for the person on the bike, maybe. but safe for the car driver who suddenly has a cyclist unexpectedly in front of them so brakes sharply, or swerves to avoid what looks like an errant cyclist. it’s this selfish attitude that grinds my gears.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Yet again I’m amazed at the number of cyclists who willingly peddle the motorists mantra. Yes, jumping a red light can be dangerous if you’re a complete idiot and don’t look to see if there is any crossing traffic, as is crossing the road without looking. Funny though that we can teach kids to cross the road safely but not adult cyclists to go through a red light safely?

    brakes
    Member

    cyclists are in a group of road users that includes cars, vans, trucks, buses, etc. pedestrians are in a different group.
    this is the way that the infrastructure is currently built, so like it or not, we have to abide by the same rules that apply to cars, vans, trucks and buses. this is what people expect. otherwise there is chaos.

    brooess
    Member

    Yet again I’m amazed at the number of cyclists who willingly peddle the motorists mantra.

    Well, the law’s mantra, actually…

    crikey
    Member

    Well, the law’s mantra, actually…

    One has no option other than to assume you never ever ever break the law?

    …that you never exceed any speed limit, for example?
    …or ride in places you shouldn’t?
    …or only mount your bicycle when on the public highway?

    As I said, cyclists jumping red lights should provoke a debate about why they do it, what lessons does it teach us, what planning issues does it expose, how can we redesign our environment to improve the experience of road users generally, instead of assuming that the car is king and drivers must be pandered to at each and every opportunity.

    Our urban landscape is dictated by the car, instead of by the people who live and move about in it. RLJing is a way of using that landscape which subverts the party line, which ignores the crap planners, and which works.

    RLJing is a way of using that landscape which subverts the party line

    You can make that argument if you like, but like the self-preservation thing it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.

    People don’t jump red lights because they’re anarchists who like to point out failings in our civic infrastructure. They jump red lights because they’re a bit selfish and lazy, and they know they can get away with it.

    theflatboy
    Member

    If a man walks across a line in the woods when nobody is around to see him, and no squirrels, badgers or voles have had to slow down or stop because he has crossed that line, has he really crossed it?

    p8ddy
    Member

    I jump some red lights – Basically I do what I consider keeps me most safe. If I think a junction puts me at risk I jump the light. If I think waiting keeps me safer I do that.

    As for what drivers think of me? I don’t really care. I also don’t represent the rest of the cycling “community”, so if motorists draw negative conclusions on all cyclists because of how I ride? More fool them.

    brakes
    Member

    People don’t jump red lights because they’re anarchists who like to point out failings in our civic infrastructure. They jump red lights because they’re a bit selfish and lazy, and they know they can get away with it.

    +1
    as demonstrated by the above post

    if motorists draw negative conclusions on all cyclists because of how I ride? More fool them.

    more fool all of us, I think.
    actions can have consequences beyond your own little bubble of a life.

    p8ddy
    Member

    +1 as demonstrated by the above post

    Yeah – I’m selfish for wanting to be safe. How very thoughtless of me.

    actions can have consequences beyond your own little bubble of a life.

    Considering the metalwork I have in my leg and hip, you’ll forgive me if I live with your disapproval whilst trying to stay out of a wheelchair.

    I repeat, anyone that makes general assumptions about any group based on the actions of one person is a moron.

    p8ddy
    Member

    Brakes – Can you also quantify why jumping a red light is selfish?

    At what disadvantage does it put other road users? – assuming of course that it doesn’t involve cycling out in front of other moving traffic (which would sort of defeat the purpose of trying to stay safe).

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Morons also drive cars. What’s your point?

    Euro
    Member

    safe for the person on the bike, maybe. but safe for the car driver who suddenly has a cyclist unexpectedly in front of them so brakes sharply, or swerves to avoid what looks like an errant cyclist. it’s this selfish attitude that grinds my gears.

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    I’d like to think that a car that’s stopped at a red light would have done all its braking and swerving already. Unless you’re assuming that i just dart bout the place with no regard to other road users, causing untold mayhem in my wake? Fact is I don’t want to be hit by a car, nor do i wish to cause other road users to have to take avoiding action. That doesn’t mean I’ll sit at a junction to wait for the lights to go my way if there’s little traffic on the road. I’d rather be considered selfish than a gormless idiot 😀

    And as for all the people that know what complete strangers think – how do you do that?

    khegs
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    Got me thinking about the red lights on the commute to/from work, I’ve got 14 (8* in the morning, 6 in the afternoon).

    Of those, 6 (3 each way) are “jumpable”, the rest, absolutely no way, not at the times of day I do that route.

    One of those “jumpable” lights is at a junction, and is actually safe to jump if you are going straight on. No reason to though, apart from being lazy/wanting to save a bit of time. 4 of them are non-junction pelican crossings, so again, if there’s no pedestrians crossing/approaching to cross, perfectly safe, but actually only save you time.

    There’s one though, which is a crossing as well, that I’d say jumping it is safer than not, oddly enough it is the only one that I do jump.

    it is this one.

    If the crossing is clear, and there is a queue of traffic waiting at the light, then yes, I’ll jump it*, because that bend tightens as you go round, shifting you out of the cruddy bit of bike lane, which the cars & vans routinely encroach on as they take the corner, too.

    Thing’s that’d stop me jumping that light, simple, but an ASB on it, so I can filter up the queue and put myself in front of it, so the 1st car can’t overtake me while I take the corner, but further along, where it straightens out & widens.

    *if the crossing is being used, I’ll wait till it’s clear and cruise over slowly, and if there’s only one car waiting I’ll not bother, why aggravate someone when it’s as easy to let them get in front as you pootle round

    p8ddy
    Member

    Morons also drive cars. What’s your point?

    2 points really –

    1. The collective judgement – “Students are lazy”, “the unemployed are all lazy scroungers”, “he jumped a red, therefore all cyclists are gits”… It doesn’t stand up to logic, and obeying the law will not alter the opinions of morons – I’ll still be regarded as a git, but now I’m a git in more danger than I was. 😉

    2. That I want to stay as safe, and as clear of morons as is possible.

    I ride my motorbike and my bike in the way that (IMO) keeps me safest. (different approaches for both, natch) 🙂

    Premier Icon nedrapier
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    I cycle 6 miles from north London into the centre and back every day.

    I was in a position last week where having the car at the wife’s work in central london made more sense than the alternatives, so we drove in. Even though I cycle that route every day and know that it’s way quicker to ride, I was amazed at how many cyclists wafted past me, going south on the Holloway Road. Hundreds. It made a deep impression how obvious it is that cyclists are moving differently and more efficiently.

    I think that there is a good chance that careful, safe, considerate RLJing (and there is such a thing) is at least as likely to leave a “floating voter” with the impression that cyclists are in a different category of road user, and perhaps some separate rules are sensible and justified, than it is to convince a “floating voter” that all cyclists are suicidal dickheads, worthy of contempt and reduced consideration for their safety. There will be those that have a viewpoint that can’t be changed, as we see every day on STW, and in life.

    Of course, a dickhead manoeuvre on any form of transport is a dickhead manoeuvre, and worthy of contempt, limited sympathy, and any and all legal repercussions should the worst happen.

    Moral of the story is (like so many others) – Don’t be a dick.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Thing’s that’d stop me jumping that light, simple, but an ASB on it, so I can filter up the queue and put myself in front of it,

    Can you not do that anyway?

    p8ddy
    Member

    Moral of the story is (like so many others) – Don’t be a dick.

    Succinctly put. I agree. 🙂

    khegs
    Member

    Not if there are people already queued at that exit, no, not enough room without blocking the crossing

    I’d like to think that a car that’s stopped at a red light would have done all its braking and swerving already. Unless you’re assuming that i just dart bout the place with no regard to other road users, causing untold mayhem in my wake? Fact is I don’t want to be hit by a car, nor do i wish to cause other road users to have to take avoiding action. That doesn’t mean I’ll sit at a junction to wait for the lights to go my way if there’s little traffic on the road. I’d rather be considered selfish than a gormless idiot

    Aren’t you by jumping the light and getting further down the road giving the car chance to travel past you at an increased speed?

    If both start on green, (cyclist in the box in front of the cars) The car would sit at your speed then move past.

    Premier Icon gofasterstripes
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    Depends how far it is to the next junction. In London, for example, they probably won’t catch you up.

    Setting off before the light has changed to green

    There’s a GREEN light? I’ve normally dumped the clutch and gone by the time the amber’s on!!

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