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  • Premier Icon wwaswas
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    not specific tubeless tyres but ‘tubeless ready’ are probably worth looking for as they’ll be easier to get up and running.

    Non-tubeless tyres will generally run OK with Stan’s rims, but how much faff is involved varies with brand. What have you got?

    mrmoofo
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    I am in the process of making a purchase – I was looking at Nobby Nicks …

    How do you know if they are tubless ready – wire bead? Folding? Or is there a special code I need to know?

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Most of my tyres are just standard ones… But they can be harder to get up and harder to seal, sometimes. A bit of research helps, and a bit of not buying panaracer. More than anything else what you’re buying with UST or Tubeless Ready is a bit of certainty.

    UST tyres tend to be hefty and expensive, and not neccesarily required- I see them as being basically like dualplies, some people will benefit from them but for most people they’re just a bit wrong. But tubeless ready (or TLR, or LUST, or 2bliss) can be a good balance- quite often there’s no downside, all Specialized Control tyres are tubeless ready frinstance.

    There’s no obvious link between wire/folding bead and tubeless ease, some wirey tyres go up really easily, some are utter bastards.

    Premier Icon FuzzyWuzzy
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    They’ll say in the description, certainly wire bead ones won’t be. Do yourself a favour and save yourself some grief by buying tubeless ready ones – yes you can get normal ones to work but the vast majority of people having issues are doing it ghetto at some point (normal rims, normal tyres etc.)

    mrmoofo
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    Ah, may also have to go and buy the tolerance and patience Apps for the iPhone, then ….

    Premier Icon richmtb
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    Next Day Tyres

    Check out this link.

    All the Tubeless ready tyres are clearly marked

    Personally I use Schwalbe UST. I might try a TLR Hans Dampf next.

    I wouldn’t mess around with non tubeless ready tyres.

    Most of the time it works fine but tubeless can be a frustrating faff at times, no reason to make it harder than it needs to be.

    Muke
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    Lots of vids on youtube showing how to go tubeless with normal rims and tyres. Seem to consist of using Stans No tube Fluid with either split tube or gorilla tape to seal the rim,lots of soapy water lube and a decent air supply, not tried it myself but thinking of giving it a go as lots of local bridleways are now carpeted in Hawthorn clippings and regular punctures are becoming a pita.

    mrmoofo
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    Do I have to run specific tubeless tyres?? Or can I jusr run any wire / folding bead tyres?

    Stans Rims etc …

    joeelston
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    I have Stans Flow rims and have fitted Shwalbe tubeless ready tyres with ease. Literally took 5 mins. I have fitted yellow tape and a cap of sealant pure wheel and no problems at all.

    mrmoofo
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    Thanks all

    I will buy tubeless ready …

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    I’ve only had one non-tubeless tyre that was totally unworkable (and also, one tubeless-ready Schwalbe that was faulty and wouldn’t bead up, fwiw). But tubeless without proper rims was a proper faff for me, I’d not do that again. Rims are the really important part IMO.

    TiRed
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    I failed to fit tubeless ready Nobby Nics to Stans Crest, despite usign every trick in th book and a decent air supply. Might be the specific rim/tyre combination as others have not had such trouble with wider rims.

    mrmoofo
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    Ok, so what tytes work best …
    But no Michelin ….

    Premier Icon pictonroad
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    I literally could not get Nobby Nics on a crest rim, yellow tape, washing up liquid, metal tyre levers. I would have had to damage the rim to get them on. It wasn’t technique, they were just incompatible.

    However, various Maxxis, Bontrager and Geax go on by hand.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Can’t remember for sure if it was a nic or a ralph now but likewise I had a TLR one that wouldn’t go on any of my tubeless rims- not the Stans or the 819s. Even with a tube and stupendous pressures it wasn’t ever going to go on the bead. But that’s just defective/unfit tyres, rather than a tubeless thing, it’d probably have had issues on some non-tubeless rims too.

    bartimaeus
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    I, on the other hand, have Nobby Nic TLR Double Defense and they go on my Crests without levers, even out on the trail and they inflate with my track pump.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Yup- other Schwalbes I’ve had are fine. Well, apart from being made of tissue paper and spiderwebs. Just mentioning it as part of the whole “I had tyre X and it didn’t fit” thing.

    mrmoofo
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    so nobby nicks or high roller IIs?

    Premier Icon jairaj
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    I have had good results with Maxiss tyres (Standard and EXO versions not the LUST) and Specialised 2-bliss tyres on Stans Crest rims

    Muke
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    Having gone ghetto earlier this week I had my first smug tubeless moment today. Managed to pickup a drawing pin in my tyre somehow so stopped pulled it out a quick psst and off I went again 😀

    Premier Icon stevied
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    I’ve run non-TR tyres since I went tubeless. Did have a couple of issues with tyres blowing off the rim doing DH @ FoD so have now gone for Maxxis EXO sidewalls for a bit more strength without too much weight added. No problems since 🙂

    Premier Icon BoardinBob
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    Got two of my three bikes running tubeless

    Bike 1 – Sun Ringle Comp rims with Stans stickers on the side. They came with tubes but had the yellow tape already installed. Removed the tubes, popped in a valve, refitted the tyres – non UST 2.5 Minions and they inflated first time with a track pump. Popped in some Stan’s fluid and I’ve had zero problems since

    Bike 2 – WTB Dual Duty Freeride rims. Used the Stan’s freeride kit. Yellow tape and rim strips plus non UST 2.35 Minions. Went up easily with a track pump. Were running fine until I got a massive gash on the rear that the fluid couldn’t seal so I swapped the Minions for Smorgasbords. No way they were going on with a track pump so I had to use a compressor but they’ve been absolutely fine since.

    Bike 3 will be getting converted in the next couple of weeks.

    corsair
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    pulled it out a quick psst and off I went again

    Hope that was in a secluded area.

    I’ve had numerous smug tubeless moments since converting, mostly because of thorns which are everywhere round here. Quite enjoy being able to whip one out then just ride away.

    mefty
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    Very smug today – have managed to get Nevegals (not tubeless ready) up on some on-one rims using home made: rim strip, “compressor” and sealant.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Standard Kendas seem to tubeless well, ironically UST Kendas seem to be complete **** 🙂 The sidewalls aren’t tough, mind.

    snakebite
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    you should always leave thorns embedded in the tyre if you are tubeless, its important to show people how kool you are.

    mefty
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    Standard Kendas seem to tubeless well, ironically UST Kendas seem to be complete **** The sidewalls aren’t tough, mind.

    I have been using the Kendas on these rims with ghetto rim strips for a few years – the new innovation is the use of home made sealant and compressor. Where I ride isn’t very rocky – I have never done a sidewall – so that weakness is less likely to impact me.

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