So I have just intiated a return on mine, having never tried them

Which is a shame, because I really liked the looks of them.

It’s a shame the shimano ispec adapter is incredibly expensive for what it is, and they only do one for the right hand side. Also, hard to get in the UK. I have an ispec woolftooth dropper remote – and the wolftooth bar clamp is also very expensive. Combine this with the faff of getting discs the correct thickness discs in centre lock and honestly I just didn’t want to take a step backwards in everything.

Yes, I know, all about the better brakes. But I do value things that work together well.

@seriousrikk PM sent over. I’d have them off you if possible?

The olives thing grates me a bit even though I got spares with mine for shortening the hoses.

Why is the distributor allowed to sell the fancy brakes without selling the parts to support it, and recommend people use some 3rd party lower-grade alternative? Especially as it’s brakes.

If I were Hayes I wouldn’t be happy with that, from a customer experience perspective just for starters. Manufacturers usually have some disclaimer in fitting instructions about being fitted by a competent mechanic, so I wonder if a bike shop would be willing to fit some cobbled together arrangement like this to a customer’s bike.

Evening,

Regardless of the whys and wherefores of product distribution, I received my one piece barb/olives today.

They fit fine and are doing the job for me right now.

I got these ones.

Hayes dominion olives

I’ve also found these at carboncycle.cc, which are the only ones which actually state the size.

Hayes fittings

Hi, did you use your existing compression nuts? as it was suggested earlier that new ones should be used. Cheers

Not once, in 24 years of riding and spannering, have I ever used a new compression nut when messing with brakes.

I’ve never had a leak from that location either.

Apparently Hayes are working on a solution to the problematic distribution situation. Read from that what you will.

@seriousrikk replied to your pm message

I think Hayes may be working on a solution, or are at least aware there is an issue.

I contacted Hayes Europe to buy some olives and inserts (after recieving no proper response from Hotlines), they suggested I contacted my distributor, as soon as I mentioned Hotlines, they said they would send me the fittings free of charge.

Long time lurker, first time poster! Any more thoughts on how good these are from people who bought these? I’m a bit concerned by the lack of spare parts availability, but reviews seem to be very positive about the power available.

I’ve got a set coming fitted on the Privateer I’ve just bought but tempted to replace them with my preferred Hopes.

Any idea what a set of these would be worth second hand (but new and unused)? Very difficult to gauge as there’s none up on eBay etc.

Very good, spares situation seems to be improving. I’ve had mine fitted for 4 years, used them year round with a very lax cleaning regime and have done literally nothing to them apart from change pads. I don’t feel that I need to do anything either…… Very fit and forget and feel lovely.

If you don’t want them, then maybe we can come to an agreement as I need new brakes for my ht…..

Very good. If you’ve read the thread, you’ll see that Hayes are doing something about the distribution (supply chain stuff, or new distributor, who knows…), and that they send spares out from Germany within days for people that are stuck.

For resale, there’ll be fewer people looking for these, but those that are will be keen, and there’s not many for sale as I expect anyone that has them wants to keep them. If they’re coming fitted to your build, the hoses will presumably have been cut, so depending on the length, a buyer might have to be looking at getting a longer hose from Germany.

Thanks for that.

I’d hoped to done what I usually do and keep a few spares to hand but it looks like I’ll have to get in touch with the European distributor.

Power-wise on par with Hope E4 or better?

Better, near Trickstuff Direttissima level. The leverage ratio is 41.4, Hope Tech3 E4 are 31.4 (V4 35.6).

What rotors are people using? I need 220/200.

I’m using Magura MDR-P floating rotors (2mm thick) on mine, with the sintered pads. Hoping the Uberbike race matrix reappear in stock soon.

Good solution to the barb/llive situation is to use Uberbike fittings as they’re all reusable:

https://www.uberbikecomponents.com/category/436/Hydraulic-Replacement-Fittings

Anyone using the Hope 2.3mm rotors?

Next question; has anyone used a SRAM hose instead of the supplied Hayes hose? There have been reports over on EMTB Forums of people experiencing difficulty threading the Hayes hose through the chain stay and frame of the Kenevo SL.

I asked;

Anyone using the Hope 2.3mm rotors?

I got the following reply from Hayes;

We recommend a max thickness of 1.95mm and a min of 1.75mm for best performance.

2.3mm will be a tight squeeze and we would not recommend that.  2.0mm should not be an issue.

Hopefully that information may be of use to someone.

good you are getting replies from Hayes, seems they may be increasing support etc for UK.

Re. your question on hoses, and I may have also answered this (kinda on emtb forums) – not used SRAM, but have used Shimano. Shimano were new hoses, so no mineral oil contamination. Banjo is the same as Hayes, used the above mentioned Hayes shaped olive/barb and a Shimano nut. 6 months and 1500km, no issues.

SRAM banjo was different design. and I didn’t want to have to faff with fitting new Banjos as there was enough bodging going on without adding more opportunities for incompetence… 🙂

I’d expect 2mm rotors to scrape for the first few rides. It’s tricky to align the calipers even on 1.95mm rotors.

Hayes hose is 5.4mm (SRAM is 4.9mm), it wouldn’t fit in the hose clamp on my Pike.

I’m using magura 2mm rotors with no problems . Those grub screws make things far easier to set up. My only slight irk is that when I have to take front wheel out to mount in a fork mount rack it can mess with ailment when wheel is refitted. I use a little wegde to keep pads apart in case I press brakes when loading bike onto rack so might have a look at that.

I bought the hayes D series discs cheap from CRC. They’re advertised as 2mm. Not had any problems with them rubbing and they seem to work nicely.

The stock pads are okay, but not really adequate for me. Got som Galfer pros coming which should solve that.

If there’s an unbutchered set of these sitting around waiting on a return, I’d be interested in buying them 🙂

So had a weird one today. Had a hose detach itself from the brake lever when I got the bike out the van. Thought user error when fitting the barbs into the hose. Gave the other hose a tug and that detached as well. Got home and took them apart and fitted 2 new barb / olives. These also didn’t grip into the hose and could be totally removed by hand. I expect the olives I bought from ebay are too thin to grip into the hoses.

So next step. Get in touch with hayes and try to get proper olives etc?? Or is there a supply in the UK. I can bang my old brakes back on but I really liked these.

Did you do the nut up enough to deform the olive?

Ye I’m pretty positive. But the even if not the barb seems too thin. Can be inserted and pulled out pretty easily by hand.

If the olives were adequately compressed it would have gripped the hose so hard pulling it out by hand would be pretty hard/impossible.

So the question is – are they undersized?

Got any pictures of the used/unused parts?

Ill post up some later when i can. I’m hoping it was user error and i am just being a nugget :0

Hopefully this image works OK. Both the olives were crushed but obviously not enough to grip the hose properly. Good chance I didn’t to them up properly. Never had this issue with brakes before and I have fitted loads.

What adaptors are folks using for a 220mm front disk? I’ve found out tonight that the Magura adaptor (QM45) fouls the caliper.

If anyone is on the fence with these and want to sell them on i would really like a second set for my hardtail.

Thanks all

What adaptors are folks using for a 220mm front disk? I’ve found out tonight that the Magura adaptor (QM45) fouls the caliper.

I’m using the Uberbike adapter on my Fox 180s. Works fine.