- PSA Clarkson war documentary tonight
Kinda puts a lot of our modern “problems” into sharp focus doesn’t it.
Incredible to think that those normal men and women stood up to the mark, and just got on with it. A time when perhaps being brave was almost the norm, i can’t quite imagine the same reaction today somehow.
As the years tick by, not only do we forget past events, but as the end credits showed, we are very close to loosing the finaly few first hand connections to those events. Important then to make documentaries like these to capture those events for history as told by the actual people who experienced them.Posted 4 years agopondoMember
Fantastic. Clarkson is a different person when he does his war documentries, I’m well over Top Gear Clarkson but War Story Teller Clarkson has me rivetted. I swear, my heart actually sank when they ordered the cruiser force away, if you saw it in a film you’d say it was made up. Must look up the Nazaire raid one…Posted 4 years agoCaptainFlashheartMember
That was really rather good. A really moving tale, well told, and good use of being ‘in situ’ to add some flavour to what it must really have been like out there, even though I don’t think anything could really tell the real story of what it must have been out in that water.
Aside from the story itself, that ship doing a ‘handbrake’ turn was pretty bloody impressive as well!Posted 4 years agotheotherjonvSubscriber
i expected more men
My Dad was in the MN (RFA actually) in the 50’s and what you have to remember is they were cargo ships, not warships. Beyond a crew to make it actually go – engineers, stokers, officers to command and navigate and a small crew to keep them fed and watered, there were no human cargoes. I guess the only blessing of PQ17 and the like was that they weren’t carrying troops, if you compare for example to the secondment of the Canberra and the QEII in the Falklands.Posted 4 years agopaul4stonesSubscriber
My and Brant’s grandfather was on PQ16. They were short of food because PQ17 was supposed to bring it . . .Posted 4 years agocrazy-legsSubscriber
My grandfather was stationed at Scapa Flow for a lot of WWII on board HMS Manchester. He was taken off Manchester when it got sent to the Med – it ended up torpedoed. My grandfather stayed in Scapa on a variety of smaller ships.
Fascinating programme – when Clarkson puts away his Top Gear persona and does history, he is brilliant.Posted 4 years agobrantSubscriber
Our grandad was ace.Posted 4 years ago
The seven Hurricane aircraft wrecked by the bomb in No. 1 hold had been in large wooden cases secured by straps made of 2″ x ¼” steel strip. Whilst hanging about in Murmansk, out of these strips I made brackets to secure the fractured top halves of the bearings in their former position and thus ensure the shaft lubrication for the return run. They worked well for the run across to Archangel.winston_dogMember
24 ships lost and 153 men – I expected more men?
MN ships will have smaller crews, although much bigger then compared to now. Probably about 25.
I would guess that so many survived because they were relatively close to land and although hardly topical it was July, so not the ice covered seas as in the TV show.Posted 4 years ago
That’s the sort of thing my dad did on his RFA tankers, fashioning repair parts out of odds and sods to be able to limp it to port and get them repaired properly. Proper engineering, not pictures on computers
Careful? Some bellend will probably be along shortly claiming that your dad isn’t a “proper” engineer because he didn’t do a few years at a cushty university…..Posted 4 years agoglobaltiMember
It wasn’t just the weather, the cold and the possibility of being killed by enemy action; life was uncomfortable and miserable at the best of times. I have my Grandad’s diary from his time between 1917 and 1919 in HMS Southampton, a light cruiser on convoy protection duty in the north Atlantic. He didn’t see much action but makes frequent mention of coaling ship (“filthy, backbreaking work”) and even kept a record of the tonnage of coal consumed and nautical miles steamed. He also makes references to “my darling Bunty”, who he missed badly and later married.
Sadly he was demobbed just before the scuttling of the German fleet in Scapa Flow so he missed that event. He did witness the explosion of HMS Vanguard in July 1917 in Scapa Flow.Posted 4 years ago
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