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  • Potentially career ending meeting with HR tomorrow – bets on outcome?
  • loum
    Free Member

    Take sick leave, you’re injured

    tjagain
    Full Member

    I have taken all reasonable precautions and worked within the advice given from OH and my line manager. Ie not working with the heaviest and most awkward patients, not doing stuff on my own but with a partner, taking the lightest tasks when working with a partner leaving them the heavy tasks ( something that does not sit well with me when working with a woman half my size)

    As OH have said I am fit for light duties I really cannot go off sick again unless something changes. I am fit for light duties indeed in most jobs even in nursing it would not be an issue

    I have also kept management updated and have a paper trail to show this.

    easily
    Free Member

    they gave me two hours photocopying a day to do and left me sat on my own in an office with nothing to do the rest of the time

    That sounds like my ideal job

    Good luck tj

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    mooman
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    Are you a qualified nurse or nursing assistant?

    I think this is the bigger issue for you. If you are a qualified then getting bank shifts if you retire is not an issue because there are loads of agencies out there who would take on a qualified at 60 yrs old. Also agencies pay more than the bank too.

    However, if you are only a nursing assistant, then your options may indeed be limited.

    crikey
    Free Member

    The whole thing is somewhat upsetting – looks like my career is going to fizzle out like a dud banger.

    Ah TJ, that’s the way all our careers end, not with a bang but a whimper…

    Get out while you can; I’d be retiring asap if I were you, I’ve just done it.

    nick1962
    Free Member

    I don’t see the problem.
    Finding light duties for you to do is not your problem it’s up to the organisation-though not agreeing to travel more than 5 miles is not realistic in this day and age without good reason ie caring responsibilities or other health issues.
    If they can’t find any light duties (which if you’re in a large organisation like the NHS and you really want to work then you could fight it and probably win) then they are obliged to offer you severance with compensation and/or finish you on the grounds of ill health which in most cases involves enhancing your pension.
    TBF if you are anything like you are at work as you are on here then they will be glad to see the back of you whatever it costs.
    #PrayforSTWforumifTJgetsthechop

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    If I was your employer I would be insisting on the light duties 5 miles away. Unless you have a really good excuse (e.g. your a carer) then that’s ‘reasonable’. It’s a bus ride away. For one year you could manage it.

    If I was you I would be asking for options to get out early. You’ve served your time, your issue is your pension being paid up. Just ask them.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    On pensions – you only get your contributions made up if you are no longer able to do ANY job. If you retire on grounds of ill health because you cannot do your USUAL job you do not get contributions made up – you only get the pension now that you would at 60 hence the difference is worth around £750 a year pension to me if I go now on grounds of health not able to do my usual job

    Mooman – I am an RGN but agency work pays less than bank work ( often a lot less) and is usually shifts in crap nursing homes not shifts in good NHS units. NHS lothian does not use agencies hence I want to keep bank options open if possible. Night shift in NHS unit is over £200 a shift, in care homes for agencies around £120

    Looks like the consensus is I will need to be flexible about distance to alternative posts ( although there is one possibility even closer to my house) I shall use that as something I will compromise on to show goodwill so come in with – ” a longer commute will be difficult for me” and end up with “Thats something I can consider – will I get the usual relocation deal” ( paid time for commuting) to ” that seems a reasonable alternative”

    Crikey – well done you. I cannot wait

    olly2097
    Free Member

    Time to be put out to the nursing pasture that is opd and clinics?

    We had a HCA who couldn’t work due to skin problems. Couldn’t wash hands or use hand gel constantly. Now a ward clerk. Just slotted her in.

    Also had one with back problems and we found her a job as an ecg lady in the cardiology dept. Win for her.

    Never seen someones career ended for needing adjustments in my trust. People have always been given different jobs. Be it opd or discharge lounge etc etc.

    mooman
    Free Member

    I guess agency/NHS pay is different in Scotland then. My wife is a qualified nurse and earns considerably more than the NHS equivalent working for an agency; significantly more than the £200 for a 12hr night shift.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Thats my expectation that they try find me that sort of post. I could make it very difficult for them to do so if I wanted tho ie how much extra commuting is reasonable? How big an alteration to my hours is reasonable?

    Band 5 tho not 2

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Mooman in Scotland the NHS very rarely uses agencies thus the agencies are fighting for care home shifts with a race to the bottom on pay.

    bruneep
    Full Member

    in Scotland the NHS very rarely uses agencies

    There are agency midwifes at my wife’s work, on circa £50-60 an hour and they travel up from that london town to work. Told my wife to get in touch with agency to offer her services

    airvent
    Free Member

    I’ve read this thread in full and can really sympathise with you. I hope the injury heals fully, and remember you want it to heal up properly so you can enjoy that retirement rather than always looking back and wishing you had let it mend.

    If I were in your shoes, I would take whatever light duties they give to you, however mind numbingly boring, and put up with it for a year then retire. If I were your manager I’d be really uncomfortable with you not taking up a relocation only a few miles further away, especially as it’s only for a year. As you say, I dont see how you could go on further sick leave if light duties have been offered that are suitable for allowing your injuries to heal, as refusal to take them on if fit to do so is almost just refusing to work.

    A difficult situation for sure, but for what it’s worth, I’d ride it out for a year even if it’s a bit more distance to work and the work is boring. Plenty people who already do that anyway, probably your manager included, but they dont get to sack it off after a year.

    faerie
    Free Member

    I hope it works out in your favour Tj

    tjagain
    Full Member

    At the moment I spend 30 mins a week commutting ( 45 when full time)- going to 8 hour days and going to say Liberton where I used to work but left at least in part because the commute was too long I would be spending 4 hours a week commuting on part time and 6 hrs full time – would that be reasonable / suitable? I cycle to work and that is very important to me.

    Thanks very much chaps tho – the advice / discussion has been very helpful in helping me formulate my line to take at the meeting. appearing to be flexible etc. Part of me is looking forward to it. I enjoy tying managers and HR in knots – surprise surprise 🙂

    mashr
    Full Member

    I shall use that as something I will compromise on to show goodwill so come in with – ” a longer commute will be difficult for me”

    Jesus, coming out with that over a few miles will have them itching to bag you.

    iainc
    Full Member

    6 hrs commuting in a week for a full time job is less than many people I suspect. Remember that how you get to work is not your employers concern. Doesn’t sound unreasonable to me though, commuting within same city etc.

    If I was you I’d be looking for a compromise that would facilitate an exit, esp as a fellow shoulder injury sufferer. Worth also bearing in mind that while you may take some delight in tying managers in knots, try and not get their backs up, as that is only going to make them less flexible on a compromise.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    mashr – 6 hours rather than 45 mins commute a week?

    Iainc – its often the way to a good deal to show them that they have not followed procedure and / or not been reasonable. Often they try to browbeat people into giving up their rights. I will take charge of the meeting and agenda, lay out my case, be polite and then show reasonableness by then offering concessions / compromises.

    Depends to a great extent how good the HR rep is – my line manager is a classic dunning Kruger ( she thinks she knows it all, she does not) and the senior manager is anything for a quiet life and is very weak

    iainc
    Full Member

    ^^^ fair do’s, and good luck tomorrow, fingers crossed for a good outcome.

    mooman
    Free Member

    tjagain

    Member

    NHS lothian does not use agencies hence I want to keep bank options open if possible.

    One of is is ill informed then.

    HEALTH bosses in Lothian are paying agencies £1,715 for one nurse for one shift.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Occasionally in very specialised areas Mooman. Very rare indeed in lothian. NOne ever on general wards or other areas where I have the skills to work
    .
    Thats a classic scotsman publications SNP bashing story with a grain of truth made into a huge pile of poop.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    Do NHS Scotland have good counselling services?

    Your HR person is going to need them….

    Anyway hope the shoulder heals soon

    nick1962
    Free Member

    TJ
    What your commute is now is largely irrelevant(though not for you obvs) but what they offer you has to be within reasonable travelling time.6 hours commute a week is not unreasonable,in fact most folk would love a commute of that time-36 minutes each way!IIRC in the civil service you would be expected to accept a post with an hour each way commute and would have to argue your case for refusing anything above.
    As for going off sick ,it may not be an option.Your GP if they’re doing their job properly would/should/ and probably already has in the past completed the fit note saying fit for some duties but not heavy lifting/your usual job which puts it back in the hands of the employer to find a suitable post.
    To echo others be open and receptive and certainly don’t go full on TJ !!

    tjagain
    Full Member

    ta again

    this to me is when I find STW very useful. Certainly not an echo chamber, a wide range of experiences and no hesitation in calling out folk for being unrealistic

    this really has helped me a lot even those sods who don’t agree with me! 😉

    Nobeerinthefridge
    Free Member

    Best of luck, hope it goes well.

    squirrelking
    Free Member

    Lolz@ tinas. Maybe I should take a troll or two for “emotional support”

    Well I have nothing on tomorrow if you want me to come in and lay the stink* eye on them.

    (rather literally at the moment, I hope you have a strong stomach or a bad sense of smell).

    In all seriousness though as others have said 6 hours is reasonable enough, I could expect to do that if I cycled every day. People would give their left nut (or appropriate appendage) for a commute that short never mind what you do now. I know you make a big thing of it and how important it is to you but this is one of those times where you need to back off and look at the bigger picture (retirement and what that allows you to do). Play the game and string it out as long as you have to, you don’t sound like someone that they would want to sack anyway.

    If it looked like they were going to retire you on health would resigning be an option? Pretty sure you can still do bank and pay into pension can you not?

    Whatever happens though good luck!

    Del
    Full Member

    5 miles sounds like perfect commute distance by bike. Far enough to get warmed up but not so far as it’ll kill you off your recreational riding. I’d say your current arrangements are ‘very’ convenient by most people’s standards. I know this didn’t happen by accident but you’ve been quite fortunate nevertheless I’d say. A longer commute when you’re better could be very good for you too.
    Either way, I hope you fully recover, and this situation works out for you.

    gauss1777
    Free Member

    My 2p’s worth, why not.
    Re the commute: your 1 mile now is ideal, but it would be totally unreasonable to not give somewhat on this, especially if only for a few months. It will take longer, but the 5 miles you suggest, gives you WGH (~3miles) and RIE (~5 miles). There must be loads of roles at those two hospitals that you could do whilst you recover fully. As for being a bit bored, well I would say tough – you cannot reasonably expect the perfect job, with the light duties you require.

    Less realistically:

    – could you ‘act up’ where you are, to a more senior role? – you know the sort, where they swan around and never lift a finger?

    – could you take a 3 month sabbatical, take a long holiday travelling, heal, come back and do another year where you are till retirement?

    weeksy
    Full Member

    As for being a bit bored, well I would say tough – you cannot reasonably expect the perfect job, with the light duties you require.

    I too struggled with that… Being bored sitting there or photocopying isn’t their preference, you’re the one who’s injured, they’re doing you the favour….

    I can’t see how he’s got much reason to complain in honesty.

    natrix
    Free Member

    Have you had your meeting yet? How did it go??

    Trimix
    Free Member

    Well, if he isnt posting he still has a job 🙂

    tjagain
    Full Member

    On my way now

    weeksy
    Full Member

    You’ve taken the shotgun yeah ?

    mashr
    Full Member

    Live Stream it

    mariner
    Free Member

    Not fully up to speed so don’t know if this has been covered.
    Do you have transferable skills recognised outside the UK?
    If so I would gtf out to somewhere warm and sunny where I would be appreciated.
    Are CQC hiring?
    I am sure your current employer would be overjoyed to see you again as an assessor.

    hels
    Free Member

    I will keep an eye on Edinburgh Evening News twitter feed – just in case! But seriously we are all keen to find out how this works out.

    mashr
    Full Member

    Do you have transferable skills recognised outside the UK?
    If so I would gtf out to somewhere warm and sunny where I would be appreciated.

    Given that he cant do his job (the reason for the meeting) I’m not sure this will get far

    perchypanther
    Free Member

    It would be ironic in the extreme if TJ got transferred somewhere too far away to cycle that wasn’t served by convenient public transport.

    He’d have to………buy a car.

    kittyr
    Free Member

    How did it go?

    Your thinking on this seems very inflexible. Is that something you struggle with in general?

    Its only a year, whatever happens. That is nothing. Loads of options.

    Boring but light duties – suck it up and count down the clock till your shoulder all heals up, retire at 60 and keep your bank shifts option open.

    Take a couple of months sick pay to get fully healed up – you can go off sick if there aren’t any actual light duties – then return and count down till retire and keep your bank shifts option open.

    Temp transfer transfer – so what if it is 5 miles away? Jesus Christ you are making a right song and dance about the ‘commute’. And as above, it is only a year!

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