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  • imnotverygood
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    I dunno, just to see how they liked it I suppose.

    You surely know how to win an argument.

    donsimon
    Free Member

    You surely know how to win an argument.

    Is this what the forum is for?

    imnotverygood
    Full Member

    I’ve no idea what the forum is for. I have to admit that in all the time I’ve been here I’ve not been able to discern a purpose.

    EDIT: & to be fair I’ve never witnessed anyone actually winning an argument.

    binners
    Full Member

    It’s not the winning, it’s the taking part!

    uselesshippy
    Free Member

    Sounds like loser talk to me 😀

    binners
    Full Member

    There are no winners here 😉

    uselesshippy
    Free Member

    I’m pretty sure we’re all losers though :mrgreen:

    andytherocketeer
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    Well I thought I’d read some blogs of the accounts of those who were there. With talk of legal advisers present, and “bust cards” explaining exactly what to say if arrested etc. it’s clear that they know fully well that they are pushing the limits and standing up against authority and testing the boundaries of Police legal authority, and are NOT “just a ride”. The last account I read was of a man not initially present that saw the tweets coming in, so purposefully went to to join in to “get video footage”. He was arrested and bailed until September. Pity that. If he’d carried on tweeting, he’d have no record, and no night in a cell.

    So on that note it is confirmed in my mind that it really IS a protest organisation, and I really have no sympathy for those arrested.
    (although of course most of us knew this)

    And that’s me out of this thread.

    grantway
    Free Member

    Nope they was protesting but trying to play smart within the laws of the Country.
    The right happened end of thread

    uselesshippy
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    “the right happened”
    Yep, I blame the tories to.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Nope they was protesting

    No, apparently they was (sic) celebrating cycling, as it’s not a protest. Or is it? Oh, it’s all so confusing…

    Still, as binners says, put a bell end on a bike and they’re still a bell end. I’d just rather that these self-appointed fins du cloche weren’t in any way connected to cycling, as they damage the image of cycling.

    grantway
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    Yep, I blame the tories to.

    Never mentioned the Tories dumb d dumb

    donsimon
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    No, apparently they was (sic) celebrating cycling, as it’s not a protest. Or is it? Oh, it’s all so confusing…

    It was so nice to see the British public come out and support the male protestors on Saturday and moreso to the public that went out on a cold and wet Sunday to support the women protestors. Police appeared to be in support to by keeping the traffic away.
    Makes me proud it does.

    uselesshippy
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    Last line of your post….
    The right happened end of thread.
    Typo? Dumb d dumd. 😀

    binners
    Full Member

    I don’t actually think they give a monkeys about cycling, and they’re not even remotely celebrating it! It’s just an excuse to kick against the Feds/state/mummy and daddy/whatevo! Without, of course having enough balls to get involved with any worthwhile real protest! Jesus! They haven’t even got the backbone to admit they’re even protesting, the spineless ****s!!

    I’m sure I speak for a lot of people in wishing they’d kindly **** right off!!! And stop tarring us all, in the minds of the public, by association with their pathetic, Woefully narcissistic brain dead pointlessness!

    CaptainFlashheart
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    grantway
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    uselesshippy – Member
    Last line of your post….
    The right happened end of thread.
    Typo? Dumb d dumd.

    Hello Useless NO typo mistake

    dumd

    and the option is not part of a Rihanna song

    uselesshippy
    Free Member

    Tha right what happened? 😕

    simons_nicolai-uk
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    Good balanced piece on last week’s CM here – makes the very good point that they don’t have Critical Mass in the Netherlands.

    Even the Sunday Times was suggesting people join a CM ride the other week. Like the writer of that blog I’ve only ever been a few times (most recently when the Police tried to have it banned on the “I might not like everything you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it” principle) and it’s always been friendly and peaceful. Maybe this last one attracted a different crowd, maybe the Police overstepped the mark. Whatever – the justifications for blocking it were invalid (there wern’t any Athletes getting to events) and were generic enough that they could have been used to ban any form of protest over anything anywhere. Mistake.

    rudebwoy
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    You are wasting time trying to reason on here, whatever you put up will be ridiculed by shallow self centered reactionaries– and thats being kind

    binners
    Full Member

    Oh I don’t know. There’s always the men-of-the-people, freedom fighters to side with

    Their fixies are just out of shot

    *goes back to writing angry letters to the Daily Telegraph, about the imposition of Marshall law*

    ohnohesback
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    Is there any update about what has happened to the arrested riders since? Have they been released, bailed, or taken before the Special Olympic Kangeroo Court?

    nealglover
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    I’m sure I speak for a lot of people in wishing they’d kindly **** right off!!! And stop tarring us all, in the minds of the public, by association with their pathetic, Woefully narcissistic brain dead pointlessness!

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Sixth Form Common room activists.

    DO IT!

    I’m sitting here hitting refresh on the “page does not exist” message.

    And I’m not moving until I can buy a Teeshirt !!!!!!!

    binners
    Full Member

    Is there any update about what has happened to the arrested riders since? Have they been released, bailed, or taken before the Special Olympic Kangeroo Court?

    They were taken outside and gunned down in the street. Hey… that’s what happens when you live in a police state.

    As a few people on this thread will remind you – Its like Syria round here!

    Now… T shirt designs….. ? 😀

    bencooper
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    *goes back to writing angry letters to the Daily Telegraph, about the imposition of Marshall law*

    Is that the law that says an amp that goes to 11 is louder than one that only goes to 10?

    ocrider
    Full Member

    I’ve got nothing against CM on principal, notably in cities which don’t have the best cycling infrastructure such as London, but for the life of me do not understand how an unorganised group, starting at southbank find themselves heading for Stratford on the opening night of the Olympic games. All this despite being asked by the police not to cross the river.

    There seems to be an element in CM that are exploiting the celebration of cycling, turning it into part of the whole anti-establishment cluster****. It’s up to the rest of the participants to stand up and be counted, or see their undeniably just cause derailed.

    Cycling is not an alternative form of transport, it’s a form of transport full-stop and that shows by the broad cross-section of posters you will find on this forum. You may not like what they have to say, but their opinion is no less valid than anyone elses’ (especially concerning grown men wearing their sister’s jeans)

    Junkyard
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    rudebwoy – Member
    You are wasting time trying to reason on here, whatever you put up will be ridiculed by shallow self centered reactionaries– and thats being kind

    Well I was under the mistaken impression that the point of protesting was to get people to change their mind to allow you to achieve your goals

    Could anyone of the pro CM lobby explain why annoying motorists and insulting cyclists help you achieve this goal?

    your modus operandi is self defeating.

    It was probably inevitable that the Critical Mass bike ride on the night of the opening of the Games would end in trouble. Not because those involved wanted trouble; far from it, but because there was simply “no room” on the streets of Olympic London, both in a physical and a spiritual sense, for an event like this on that night. The police could not let it it happen. They could not allow the possibility of an area of streets close to the Olympic Park being gridlocked at that time. On any other occasion, yes, they could grudgingly live with it, but not on this occasion.

    You are right it is the polices fault no one there was confrontational, ignored advce, instruction and “celebration of cycling” could occur in no other way than going where they had been asked not do. When they did obvioulsy the consequences were the fault of the state.

    There is no right enforced for cyclists to proceed safely, with fair and civilised treatment, on our roads as they stand.

    You are right there are literally no laws to protect us

    Ps the full quote is

    It has often been said in the last few days that Critical Mass in not a protest, it is just a ride or an event, but in fact it shares characteristics of both protest and festival. It exists because the normal conditions for cycling on the streets of London (and other cities around the world where Critical Masses take place) are no good at all. There is no right enforced for cyclists to proceed safely, with fair and civilised treatment, on our roads as they stand. Critical Mass is definitely a kind of protest against, and a reaction to, that fact. It is a protest demanding a different order in transport and street hierarchy as much as the Suffereagettes were a protest demanding a different hierarchy in sexual politics. There is no Critical Mass in the Netherlands, where cycling is treated as a first-class form of transport, prioritised equitably with other modes.

    so ther eyou have it is a protest but not a protest

    Ps the link on Holand and crtical mass begins

    A couple of weekends ago we cycled over to the anarchist festival

    How do anarchists organise things?

    The police tried to ban Critical Mass from the north side of the Thames, and they tried to prevent it from invading the sacred space of the Olympic Lanes, both of which conditions were inconsistent with the freeform nature of the event. There was a fundamental discordancy between the spirit of Critical Mass and the nature of Olympic Lockdown London……A police statement said:
    People have a right to protest and it is an incredibly important part of our democracy … What people do not have the right to do is to hold a protest that stops other people from exercising their own rights to go about their business – that means athletes who have trained for years for their chance in a lifetime to compete, millions of ticketholders from seeing the world’s greatest sporting event, and everyone else in London who wants to get around.

    As i said earlier I gave up with this sort of thing because the participants were fully aware of their own rights but could not give a shit for anyone elses…i just dont see how this sort of attitude is a part of any solution within a society..it is a bout cooperation to make us all safer…deliberate antagonism and confrontation will not be helpful

    Laudable aims idiotic and counter productive anarchist principles and disingenuous claims of non protest and celebration whilst annoying motorists are unlikely to see us achieve our common aims but you will hinder it as people see cyclists as lawless cocks

    binners
    Full Member

    How do anarchists organise things?

    Of all the points raised on the thread, it is this point that demands an answer 😆

    Mike the CM spokesperson’s gone a bit quiet, hasn’t he?

    BruceWee
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    Mike the CM spokesperson’s gone a bit quiet, hasn’t he?

    Maybe he got fed up with all the hilarious comments and pictures. Or maybe he has a job that doesn’t let him sit in front of a computer all day and he has better things to do with his evenings.

    I thought I would play the picture game and find something to represent bland middle class middle aged Audi driving IT workers but unfortunately they have no actual characteristics. Maybe I should find a picture of a pension plan or something.

    binners
    Full Member

    How about…

    to represent bitterness? Come on! Use your imagination lad!

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    So Brice how is insulting folk helping persuade them that your argument is right?

    Everytime you ask one of the CM a direct question about their methods you get no answer?

    People who disagree with you are the one you need to convince to change their ways [ not actually us we are cyclists] how is belittling and insulting meant to get you your result/outcome.

    not one of you has even attempted to explain how your modus operandi may work

    If behaving like **** to people who disagree with you was effective we would have car free roads by now

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    Assuming that I’m Brice, I think that’s pretty much the first insult I’ve thrown. Actually, is calling someone a bland middle class middle aged Audi driving IT worker an insult? Maybe the bland bit but I’d imagine the rest is a pretty good description of the STW daytime demographic.

    A swift browse of the previous 12 pages shows that part of the arguments against CM are based on their actions but a lot of the arguments are that they are ‘not like us’ and most of the insults have been thrown by people who seem to have an ingrained dislike of non-cyclists pretending to be cyclists. Personally I find that a pretty snobby attitude. Sorry but STW does not get to decide the standard you have to reach to be a cyclist.

    I’m not really the one to defend CM since I’m pretty sure I disagree with it but I’m going to withhold final judgement until I’ve had a chance to see what a ride is like first hand.

    Junkyard
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    I think folk object because of the perception they create of cyclists and the rest is mockery.

    Neither side has been full of flattery for those who disagree with them…it just seems pointless to pick sides on that issue tbh.

    I could pick up some CM comments to show snobbery I assume with little difficulty

    binners
    Full Member

    Come on Bruce. You’re not trying.

    How about Reggie Perrin? I imagine a lot of STWers have a lot in common with Reggie. I know I have. I’ve got a cat. Though he’s not called Ponsomby. He’s called Che Guevara. We love our socialist revolutionaries in our house 😀

    BruceWee
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    Almost certainly you could. There are plenty on one side saying all CMers are whiny spoiled wannabe anarchist arseholes and plenty on the other saying that anyone against CM are Daily Mail reading pro-authoritarian quasi-fascist arseholes.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    all CMers are whiny spoiled wannabe anarchist arseholes and plenty on the other saying that anyone against CM are Daily Mail reading pro-authoritarian quasi-fascist arseholes.

    http://www.binnerstshirts.com

    scuzz
    Free Member

    Out of interest, what demographic do I fit into?

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    Aye helpful innit Bruce [ i always do typos it was nothing personal]

    My only point is that it is counter productive direct action which serves only to make those whose mind they[we] are trying to change think they [we/cyclists]are lawless asshats.

    deviant
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    Great thread….love the way the pro CM posts state that the Police should back off as everyone has the right to peaceful protest….and then deny the CM meets are any kind of protest…..which is it folks?!

    Best post was at the beginning….something about ‘their fixie riding hipster parade’….post of the year so far for me.

    The rabble rousers at these events seem to be the same idiots that turn up at any protest/meet/event and try to irritate the Police.

    All a little pointless really….go to a proper Police state and make an arse of yourself in public like CM do and see what happens….then compare the softly softly arrest, remove and release approach in this country….no comparison, we’ve got it good in this country.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary-dejevsky-pussy-riots-enemies-dont-stop-at-vladimir-putin-7994771.html

    Read the link above about the 4 girls who sang an anti Putin song in Russia, are currently being held on remand and face a further 7 years in prison for their demonstration…..the efforts of ‘right-on’ activists in this country would be better spent on pressing for international actions on cases like this rather than blabbering nonsense about this country being a Police state.

    binners
    Full Member

    The t shirt logos just keep on coming!

    Bruce. Howsabout…..

    ?

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