- Planet X bikes – cheap Chinese tat or decent frames
I think much of the stuff is made to their own specs. I don’t get the impression that there’s a massive amount of catalogue product in their range.
That said, their QC hasn’t always been great – I’ve got an old inbred frame with the disc mount a few millimetres off where it should be. That said, it’s had years of a big bloke riding around on it and it hasn’t snapped and killed me yet.
Of course, the key difference with buying from Planet X vs Ebay is that Planet X are a decent size and are the importers for the products they sell, and therefore the buck stops with them when it comes to proving that they are selling a product that is safe to use.
The gear that’s sold direct from China on Ebay or out of some bloke’s garage is unlikely to be under that kind of scrutiny…Posted 4 years agoporlusMember
Read a post on another forum that they are really hands on with the design and feeding back to the manufacturer. Haven’t got the link, but it was posted by dave from planet x. Basically told the process and didn’t really hide anything. Bloke at work was anti planet x. But after reading daves post was very impressed and says they have gone up in his opinion and wished other manufacturers told it like it is. Ie, some of the well know made in Italy bikes.Posted 4 years ago
I have no issues with things made in China, us brits have never done mass production well or cheaply. Better we design and develop things and leave the manufacturing to others. The vast majority of other things in our lives are made in China, or made from components made in China, but just wanted to know how much input they have into the process or if they just bought cheap stuff and flogged it on. I like to think that when you buy something off a certain brand you’re buying their knowledge and design rather than their manufacturing – most things can be manufactured anywhere by anyone, its all built to a spec and drawings, it doesn’t matter, its the same product at the end of the day. The real knowledge is in the design, understanding and development that goes into a product – that is what makes a product good at the end of the day. I’ll try to dig up the post on the other forum.
The ride on holiday seems to have re-ignigted the Roadie within. I’m back on the MTB tomorrow morning so we’ll see if it lasts. I hope it doesn’t – I really don’t look good in Lycra and I don’t want to shave my legs – imagine Chewbacca with shaved legs.Posted 4 years agoTiRedMember
I though it was just a case of small-scale in-house design and a contract manufacturing organisation (CMO). There are plenty of companies offering both design and manufacturing. You won’t see the highest specification, nor the lowest. I suspect they keep overheads down to be competitive on price and are offering reasonable wares at fair prices. Being a real company means there is a point of call for warranty. Don’t expect Giant advanced carbon frames with associated R&D costs, but do expect good value for money.
No different to Ribble and most of the other smaller name brands in this country.Posted 4 years ago
OK, so I was mightily impressed by the Plane X bike I hired on holiday for my ride. I had always thought the Planet X frames are just cheap generic Chinese frames, the sort you get off Ebay (and some people on here like to tell you to steer clear of if you value your lives), but it felt and looked like a quality frame. So do they get their frames made in China to their spec’s and design (like alot of the more expensive mainstream manufacturers), or just get the cheap Chinese generic frames from a supplier?Posted 4 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
Yep, certainly not generic, picked-from-a-catalogue stuff, they’re designed to spec and well designed at that. But you get what you pay for, when it comes to quality of finish, customer service, warranty support etc you discover where the price savings are made.Posted 4 years ago
I’m currently in Beijing, and about to head back to the UK, and will be back out here in early November. Done a sweep of all our carbon places over the last week, from Shenzhen to Shanghai and really pleased with how things are working out for current product, and new stuff we are (always) working on.
You certainly don’t get a carbon fat bike fork, with the right geometry “off the shelf”, and if you want things done right, you have to push back at what factories offer you “off the shelf” to get it bang on.
We share factories with many of the huge brands, with a quality of work and testing that is as high as any of them.Posted 4 years ago
Excellent reply. Social media comment very interesting. Possibly more interesting than this thread.
I’ve had every angle from the naive “Chinese government protect us from bad Western Facebook to make China strong” to “I have company VPN so I can log in”, to “it’s shite we can’t get YouTube so we can’t see what’s happening out there”.Posted 4 years ago
All sounds great.Posted 4 years ago
Gears suck, I wasn’t asking if the bike was any good, I established for myself it was very good. For some reason I thought it was a cheap generic Chinese carbon frame and i was trying to establish if cheap generic Chinese frames are actually quite good, contrary to what you read on here. Since Planet X don’t just offer generic frames then that explains why the bike felt so good, so the jury is still out on cheap generic frames. If I do end up spending more time on my road bike and decide I want to upgrade my current road bike for a carbon one, then I’ll definitely be taking a look at Planet X.mikewsmithSubscriber
Chinese carbon frame and i was trying to establish if cheap generic Chinese frames are actually quite good, contrary to what you read on here.
the answer is maybe, thats the thing about the cheaper shipped from china stuff you have no idea.Posted 4 years ago
At least with the On One stuff there is someone speccing it and testing it, again they might or might not be with some of the direct stuff.
Some of the On One stuff might be a bit rough around the edges but it’s generally the cosmetic bits that don’t matter as much as say structural stuff…atlazMember
i was trying to establish if cheap generic Chinese frames are actually quite good, contrary to what you read on here
I think you’ll find that “on here” people have been quite varying in their comments. I have a cheap chinese frame and I’m happy with it. I also have a frame made in china by a big brand that wasn’t so cheap that I am also happy with.Posted 4 years agoscotroutesSubscriber
At least buying from Planet X / On One you’ll have the backup of decent customer service if anything goes wrong.
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One day the Druidh/PX/On-One truth will bubble up from beneath the murky depths…
I vaguely recall Dave from px posting up an offer to resolve this publicly, in the druidh days. I couldn’t be bothered to search for this. I’ve not long clocked off a hilly 82 road miles and I’m sweating like a melting candle and need a poo.
Seems like Colin/ druidh/ onion etc etc, has chosen the path of spending his waking life on here making snide comments instead. I rather admire his commitment to task and would prefer the route of this dispute to remain stw folklore! It does seem the px/ on one cs dept will spout any old tosh whilst brant will sweep up any forum moans.Posted 4 years ago
Del, on the contrary, i’m a manufacturing engineer by trade, education and apprenticeship. I’ve worked in every stage from taking a product from original concept, through design and development, CNC programming, through the drawing office, to tendering with suppliers and manufacturers, through quality control and quality assurance and to market. An i’m talking about high spec aerospace components with manufactures and suppliers coming from all over the world – mostly from outside the UK, it saddens me to say. Our UK manufacturers tend to supply parts that are ultra high tech mainly in order to protect intellectual property, with all the more conventional component types mostly all coming from abroad – we just can’t compete on cost or quality. Most of all the products we have in the UK are made outside of the UK, they have far more experience at mass production than we do. But that isn’t necessarily a bad thing – we reserve the lower volume, higher value and higher tech stuff for ourselves – that’s what we’re good at and that is what the rest of the world comes to us for.
The whole point of engineering drawings is that it defines the component, how its made, what its made from, the standards and spec’s it has to conform to, how it should be inspected and much, much more. It completely defines the product just so it can be made by different people with the same product resulting.Posted 4 years ago
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