Pauline Ferrand-Prévot and Tom Pidcock to race full suspension Pinarello Dogmas XC at this weekend’s UCI XC World Cup at Nové Město.

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By ben_haworth

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Pidcock’s new Pinarello Dogma XC revealed

Mondraker want their top tubes back.

Is that a fork lock-out cable running into the headset then popping out of the frame 50mm lower? Ridiculous…

s that a fork lock-out cable running into the headset then popping out of the frame 50mm lower? Ridiculous…

Where else would it come out?

I rather like that.

The custom designed, fully integrated cockpit saves weight and offers increased driving precision compared with a two-piece alternative. Fully integrated cable routing is also incorporated, as is a specific headset bearing

That, less so.

All being said as a slow middle aged mincer with a bit of a belly, I’m not quite the target market for this though.

Is that a fork lock-out cable running into the headset then popping out of the frame 50mm lower? Ridiculous…

For once, on this mountain bike, I think internal routing makes sense. It’s clean air at the front of the bike there so not having the cable going down to the fork from the bars might be worth 0.5 of a watt.

as a slow middle aged mincer with a bit of a belly, I’m not quite the target market for this though.

You are exactly Pinarello’s target market.

as a slow middle aged mincer with a bit of a belly, I’m not quite the target market for this though.

You are exactly Pinarello’s target market

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Sorry, what I really meant but was too scared to admit incase I’m excommunicated for being an impostor here was:

“I’m not an IT consultant or a dentist and I earn less than the average wage”

Is that a fork lock-out cable running into the headset then popping out of the frame 50mm lower? Ridiculous…

Wouldn’t want it on my bike but in a race situation it’s one less thing to get tangled in. At the top level those kind of things make a difference.

Where else would it come out?

I’m picturing a grinning-face emoji after that… i hope i’m right

so not having the cable going down to the fork from the bars might be worth 0.5 of a watt.

As above… otherwise, why not the front brake hose? (into the headset, out the fork steerer, down the back of the leg… simples)

These riders are not in an aero-tuck mid-peloton. It’s silly!

Is that a fork lock-out cable running into the headset then popping out of the frame 50mm lower? Ridiculous…

I could be wrong here but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Tom is using a prototype Suntour fork and shock that has automatic electronic lockout.  If that’s the case then that cable is likely going down into a battery/sensor somewhere in the frame where it’s also connected to the rear shock.?

I absolultely refuse to buy any bike that does not have maximum reactivity and balanced energy transfer acheived through semi-triangles.

through semi-triangles.

I think they’re just angles, all bikes have angles.

These riders are not in an aero-tuck mid-peloton. It’s silly!

You’ve seen how fast XC races are, right? Aero is probably more important there than being in the middle of a road race peloton, especially as XC races are usually a bit more spread out towards the end with less opportunities for drafting.

As above… otherwise, why not the front brake hose? (into the headset, out the fork steerer, down the back of the leg… simples)

It *might* work with those new SRAM levers that run the cable close to the bar. And I think Dangerholm has done internal routing for the front brake hose on several of his custom bikes – but otherwise, I think it would actually be quite hard with current off-the-shelf components.

Who buys this though? What’s the point? It’s an MTB for roadies (meant in an entirely derogatory way)? Loaded roadies at that.

You’ve seen how fast XC races are, right? Aero is probably more important there

I bet they’d still use panniers instead of frame bags though.

Who buys this though? What’s the point? It’s an MTB for roadies (meant in an entirely derogatory way)?

This? I’d wager the sort of people who would, whilst riding this, very quickly remind you that your “mtb for mtbers” doesn’t make you quick, up or down.

I wonder how much this is an exercise in making the absolute fastest bike for WC XCO to help Pidcock and PFP win races, or a bike which can be mass produced and actually make them some money – like their competitor’s bikes. The former is more interesting to me, to see the choices that are made for a design from scratch with no constraints.

I guess we’ll know when they launch it for sale and what prices and component choices are available.

Who buys this though? What’s the point? It’s an MTB for roadies (meant in an entirely derogatory way)? Loaded roadies at that.

You do know that most of the fastest MTBers are, errrr, roadies as well?

Saying that, i wouldn’t buy a Pinarello even with 50% off. And i’m an ex roadie.

I like it – ignoring the marketing guff but that’s nothing new. I can’t see a lot wrong except that proprieatary headset bearing – that’s just plan irritating. It’s got a few flourishes that you’d only find on an Olympic gold medal winner’s bike but who cares? I’m not sure I’d ever buy one, that would depend on how it rode & price but I’m certainly not put off by anything I see.

This? I’d wager the sort of people who would, whilst riding this, very quickly remind you that your “mtb for mtbers” doesn’t make you quick, up or down.

Yep, they’d *shock* be in lycra, and happily and quickly hand your arse to you on a plate, uphill or down.

You do know that most of the fastest MTBers are, errrr, roadies as well?

Yeah, sorry – I didn’t mean to be disparaging re: roadies in general; I enjoy road riding too. I just mean that an MTB designed by roadies, for (opulent) roadies is something I (as predominantly an MTBer) have no interest in.

I just mean that an MTB designed by roadies, for (opulent) roadies is something I (as predominantly an MTBer) have no interest in.

How about an MTB designed by a company with a consistent record of winning and developed by the world’s fastest riders with the aim of making them even faster. Does that sound a bit more appetising? Yes of course it’ll be stupidly expensive and irrelevant for 99% of us, but so are most top tier race bikes.

I just mean that an MTB designed by roadies, for (opulent) roadies is something I (as predominantly an MTBer) have no interest in.

It’s not really though, the sort of people likely to drop this sort of money on a cross country bike are racing XC and really rather well.

Xc isn’t fashionable so XC bikes aren’t fashion accessories. It’s not like an enduro bike where 98% of race bikes will only ever see every other weekend at swinley under a slightly portly paperclip salesperson or a Pinarello road bike that’s only ever ridden to the rapha club house.

Love this bit

Go on then, show us! 🤣

Who buys this though? What’s the point?

A specialist bit of kit made to have very special athletes ride it with the sole purpose of getting the brand logo over the line first. They have to make them available to buy to meet the uci regs, but I’m not convinced the intention is to sell many of them. ‘We’re’ meant to buy their other shit, because we’ve seen this one go fast. Twisted logic, but seems to work.

See also skis made for world cup downhill skiers that are not just wasted on your average skier but actually less good than something bought for a tenth of the price.

And I think Dangerholm has done internal routing for the front brake hose on several of his custom bikes – but otherwise, I think it would actually be quite hard with current off-the-shelf components.

Yes, there’s a couple he’s popped a banjo fitting on the end of the lever so it goes straight into the bars

How about an MTB designed by a company with a consistent record of winning and developed by the world’s fastest riders with the aim of making them even faster.

TBH, the bikes aren’t actually all that, nothing stand out over 20 or so other bikes in that price/performance bracket (or even lower price!), the reason they win a lot is they have some of the best riders, and the biggest sponsorship and advertising budgets.

The forks and shock are suntour’s version of rock shocks flight attendant so there shouldn’t be any cables from ars to either

They have to make them available to buy to meet the uci regs, but I’m not convinced the intention is to sell many of them. ‘We’re’ meant to buy their other shit, because we’ve seen this one go fast. Twisted logic, but seems to work.

most uci equipment rules have an ‘except in mountain biking’ clause. Or you’ll get some weird results like some downhill bikes being illegal because the seat tube is to steep or something like that. For all their flaws they are aware that mtbs are still developing tech and there’s no need or want to artificially keep them looking like a bike from a century ago.
and I think I remember Chris porter saying they did mullets for a few years before it was allowed; they didn’t realise it was illegal and nobody ever checked anyway.
if this rule did apply, the suntour suspension was ridden in Tokyo, nearly 2 years ago now.

I wonder how much this is an exercise in making the absolute fastest bike for WC XCO to help Pidcock and PFP win races, or a bike which can be mass produced and actually make them some money – like their competitor’s bikes. The former is more interesting to me, to see the choices that are made for a design from scratch with no constraints.

this would be interesting. and if they did make the fastest bike i’d be really interested to see the same rider on an “entry level” WC bike, or something like a Transition Spur and see the times they’d do.

its the sort of experiment you could do if you win one of those billion $ rollover lotteries that happen in the USA.

Yep, they’d *shock* be in lycra, and happily and quickly hand your arse to you on a plate, uphill or down.

yea, but would they look as cool as me in my enduro trousers? even without my arse to fill them out

It looks a lot better than the Dogma road bikes which are awful looking.

See also skis made for world cup downhill skiers that are not just wasted on your average skier but actually less good than something bought for a tenth of the price.

Except you can’t just wander in to a ski shop and buy some proper DH skis they simply don’t sell them to general public. You can however go and buy skis of that brand with similar pretty colours etc

It must be a pretty niche market for this type of bike, either amateur riders racing XC trying to get to Elite, or middle aged people who still think they are awesome

I look at it and think it must be a very fast and fun XC bike to ride, but for price it will cost, I could get a bike with an engine that will be much more capable (in my hands) and be quicker (in my hands)

yea, but would they look as cool as me in my enduro trousers? even without my arse to fill them out

You’d look much cooler because it would be like you were in permanent slo mo

‘this would be interesting. and if they did make the fastest bike i’d be really interested to see the same rider on an “entry level” WC bike, or something like a Transition Spur and see the times they’d do.’

Aren’t you going to get exactly that here.  When Pidcock was racing on a BMC it was a stock frame yes? Tricked out tho’, but so are an awful lot of bikes here so that’s no excuse

I am going to say it won’t make much difference.  If Pidcock is on one and does his typical breakaway and leave everyone for dead it would be hard to tell the difference between two very good bikes wouldn’t it?

Looks like a boxy previous generation epic, bit meh really, thought they would come out with something more interesting.
They’ve also pinched the bonded/bolted shock carrier from the BMC fourstroke.

Will appeal to those who already have a Pinarrelo road bike and want something with bouncy bits.

This is far sleaker and nicer looking IMO:

“ability to adopt wider tires, providing riders with a greater range of options”

“Maximum tyre clearance: 29 x 2.35 inches”

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“ability to adopt wider tires, providing riders with a greater range of options”

“Maximum tyre clearance: 29 x 2.35 inches”

You know its an XC race bike yeah

You know its an XC race bike yeah

quite a few of the Maxxis teams have been on 2.4 for a couple of years now. Of course a maxxis 2.4 is probably not 2.4

Of course a maxxis 2.4 is probably not 2.4

That’s why they wobble you know. Measure from one side of the wobble to the other and voila +1/4″ tyre size.