the no campaign is being push by certain types with no interest in society but only their personal wealth generous expenses?

FTFY

futon river crossing – Member
Unless I missed it, no one has commented on iScotland being unable to join the EU without a central bank?

Is that a problem? Easily solved – a government act to establish it, and it would be up and running within a year.

Would you like to point out these ‘certain types’? Or should I make the accusation that the no campaign is being push by certain types with no interest in society but only their personal wealth?

Personal wealth? What?

You’re just reinforcing that it’s all about the Politics of envy. Its a fact that in life, certain people have more money than others….get over it! If this is what its all about, I feel sorry for you!

In this case it looks like the No vote is being driven by the oldest voters http://www1.politicalbetting.com/?p=70596&preview=true

Looks ‘dim’…def: Stupid or slow to understand:

Thank you, yes, I do know what the word “dim” means – what I’m impressed by is that you seem able to predict the IQ of someone on TV who doesn’t say a word. I’m wondering what particular physical features you use to come to that estimate of intelligence?

Personal wealth? What?

You’re just reinforcing that it’s all about the Politics of envy. Its a fact that in life, vertain people have more money than others….get over it! If this is what its all about, I feel sorry for you!

No, I was making what is an equally ridiculous claim. It’s not about the money.

molgrips – Member

I am sympathetic to your point of view, but ultimately I feel it’s futile.

And the only reason for making this drastic decision is that you “hope” it’ll be different.
Far more tangible is your reasoning that if we stay we can change Britain for the better of course. 🙄

Thank you, yes, I do know what the word “dim” means – what I’m impressed by is that you seem able to predict the IQ of someone on TV who doesn’t say a word. I’m wondering what particular physical features you use to come to that estimate of intelligence?

lets just say that after 53 years on the planet, Ive come to spot them quite easily! Call it experience!

Is that a problem? Easily solved – a government act to establish it, and it would be up and running within a year.

You’re just spouting more Salmond rhetoric….you and he appear to have no idea of what is involved!

More mature people, woman and professionals able to see thru the BS. Exactly, experience counts in the end…..

(Oops almost forget the 16-18 year olds too – equally good at spotting BS)

the no[b]Yes[/b] campaign is being push[b]led[/b] by certain types with no interest in society but only their personal wealth generous expenses?

FIFY

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10359210/Timeline-Alex-Salmonds-secrecy-fight-over-his-250-tartan-trews.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10521393/Alex-Salmond-under-pressure-to-account-for-mystery-Ryder-Cup-spending.html

Far more tangible is your reasoning that if we stay we can change Britain for the better of course.

If you stay, you can help, if you leave you definitely can’t.

Most people seem to want to remain in the UK but have more devolution. People on this thread even. So why leave? You’ll never get what you want then.

whatnobeer – Member
It’s not about the money.

On the contrary, right from the off it has been focused exactly on this point. Almost down to the last pound – why have both sides given the independence bonus/forfeit so much attention?

On the contrary, right from the off it has been focused exactly on this point. Almost down to the last pound – why have both sides given the independence bonus/forfeit so much attention?

Because the No campaign has been almost completely about how Scotland is “too wee, too poor”, so the Yes campaign has to counter that.

Rockape63 – Member
“Is that a problem? Easily solved – a government act to establish it, and it would be up and running within a year.”
You’re just spouting more Salmond rhetoric….you and he appear to have no idea of what is involved!

Did Salmond say that? I don’t know.

What I do know is that Australia established a central bank by a government act in 1911 and it was up and running in 1912.

So perhaps you can tell me why, in this day and age Scotland could not do the same thing. Or judging by your earlier post, maybe you think we are too dim?

Far more tangible is your reasoning that if we stay we can change Britain for the better of course.

Lets look at the evidence. In my lifetime Britain has changed massively although much of it IMO some not particular improvements, but we all live lives our Parents/Grandparents would not have believed possible. Why wouldn’t that continue?

There are a lot of people with short memories…..if this vote had taken place 7 years ago when everything was rosy, what would they be saying? And yet, 7 years is a brief moment in time.

You really think the economics of Australia in 1912 is the same as Scotland in 2014?

If you stay, you can help, if you leave you definitely can’t.

Yes, but I’ll ask again – how? We’ve tried voting differently at the ballot box, it hasn’t worked. What we can do is give the establishment the biggest fright of it’s life – what the rest of the UK does with that opportunity is up to you.

molgrips – Member
You really think the economics of Australia in 1912 is the same as Scotland in 2014?

No, but the ability of the people is.

I notice you haven’t said it could not be done.

So if the ability is the same but the task is far harder, then it stays far more difficult. Which was my point.

Yes, but I’ll ask again – how?

I already gave some ideas.

Your lack of ideas is not a good reason to increase division between people and economies imo.

No, but the ability of the people is.

Listen, I’m not an International Banker, but with the EC situation now its clearly not like Oz in 1912. The point is your answer is typical of the Salmond response to all those issues.

It’ll be fine…….!

What I just cannot understand is why everyone is distracted by these independent Scotlandshire ramblings when the real issue is not touched upon.

Freedom for Yorkshire!

If you stay, you can help, if you leave you definitely can’t.

Yes, but I’ll ask again – how? We’ve tried voting differently at the ballot box, it hasn’t worked. What we can do is give the establishment the biggest fright of it’s life – what the rest of the UK does with that opportunity is up to you.

The fright of its life? Perhaps 50% of 10% of the population vote against the Union. Think about it.

Are there going to be import and export taxes placed on British trade?

I already gave some ideas.

Join the Labour party? Lots of Scots in the Labour party at the moment, and they don’t seem to be doing anything to help move Labour to the left, more the opposite.

Join the Labour party? Lots of Scots in the Labour party at the moment, and they don’t seem to be doing anything to help move Labour to the left, more the opposite.

You do realise that moving further to the left will mean higher taxes? The two go hand in hand. And before you say, great we can spend it all on the poor, look at France. Their high earners have been leaving in droves and with the border to England not far away, it will be a very simple thing to do.

Labour tax policies are more progressive than the SNPs Ben, so your argument doesn’t hold up. The SNP is nowhere near as progressive as the attempted narrative suggests.

The fright of its life? Perhaps 50% of 10% of the population vote against the Union. Think about it.

The UK would lose 32% of it’s land area, 61% of the sea area, 90% of the surface fresh water, 96% of the oil reserves, 47% of coal, 62% of timber, 92% of hydro electricity, 60% of fish landings,…

Rockape63 – Member
Listen, I’m not an International Banker, but with the EC situation now its clearly not like Oz in 1912. The point is your answer is typical of the Salmond response to all those issues.

It’ll be fine…….!

Of course it will be fine. The current govt of Scotland has been running the country well for a few years and already demonstrated its competence.

And although Australia in 1911 is different from Scotland in 2014, there are no insuperable problems to a sovereign country setting up its own bank, so why should it take an excessive amount of time?

Labour tax policies are more progressive than the SNPs Ben, so your argument doesn’t hold up.

Just as well I’m not voting for the SNP then. My argument holds up fine. A Scottish Labour party out from under the thumb of the Westminster Labour party could be a real socialist party again – I’d hope so.

bencooper – Member
The UK would lose 32% of it’s land area, 61% of the sea area, 90% of the surface fresh water, 96% of the oil reserves, 47% of coal, 62% of timber, 92% of hydro electricity, 60% of fish landings,…

And yet, this has nothing to do with the UK apparently!!!!!!

You can vote for them already.

And yet, this has nothing to do with the UK apparently!!!!!!

Yes, just like losing the huge natural resources of Canada was a matter for the Canadian people not the UK.

You can vote for them already.

Who?

The UK would lose 32% of it’s land area, 61% of the sea area, 90% of the surface fresh water, 96% of the oil reserves, 47% of coal, 62% of timber, 92% of hydro electricity, 60% of fish landings,…

what % of midges?

Anyway….whats going to happen if you vote No? Are you (yes voters)going to hate the English even more? Will it create huge divisions in Scottish society? Or will you all shake hands and move on?
😕

Most people seem to want to remain in the UK but have more devolution. People on this thread even. So why leave? You’ll never get what you want then.

Devo Max was not an option,as uncertainty is one of the biggest weapons of the No campaign. CA has been spouting on about Salmond’s BS for 278 pages,yet every vague suggestion of more powers for Scotland is apparently gospel. Nobody up here believes that there will not be a price to pay for daring to even mention leaving.

what % of midges?

Shhh, that’s what we’ll be burning for fuel when the oil runs out…

big_n_daft – Member
The UK would lose 32% of it’s land area, 61% of the sea area, 90% of the surface fresh water, 96% of the oil reserves, 47% of coal, 62% of timber, 92% of hydro electricity, 60% of fish landings,…
what % of midges?

98%.

btw I think I’ve sussed what this is all about. Don’t worry people, we’re not setting up a break away singletrackworld, we’ll still come here and shoot the shit with you. We are separtists, not isolationists! 😀

Are you (yes voters)going to hate the English even more?

We don’t hate the English. Lots of Yes voters are English.

teamhurtmore – Member
And yet, this has nothing to do with the UK apparently!!!!!!

It has a lot to do with the UK.

If it had kept faith with the Scottish electorate and ensured that some of the benefits of the wealth benefitted the areas it was being drawn from, this would not be happening.

Instead it contemptuously labelled the Scots as “subsidy junkies”.

In hindsight, it may well be that that and a general air of contempt will be shown to be the largest factors in persuading individual Scots that they should get out of the UK.

It is a major undercurrent to this thread.

So bigotry wins the day. Brilliant.