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  • Premier Icon nickc
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    Who will replace her though?

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    Johnson – Brown will do it in an attempt to neuter his leadership aspirations.

    And one of the Millibands will get Treasury after Brown realises how much Balls will cost him…

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    Johnson will never take the job.

    Balls. (I know Brown wants him as Chancellor, but the rest won’t stand for it. I reckon this is the compromise)

    cynic-al
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    “one more”…what? MP? Labour MP? Expenses fiddling MP? Cabinet Minister?

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    Johnson will never take the job.

    I agree. But imagine what it owuld look like if he was asked and he was turned down. It will be like getting rejected by the ugliest girl in school 🙂

    Premier Icon nickc
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    Oh, BTW heard of Phosphorescent? Listening to an album of his: Pride. Right up your street I reckon

    Premier Icon nickc
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    It will be like getting rejected by the ugliest girl in school

    😆

    What a state they’re in…

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    phosphorescent
    Nope, not heard.
    Ta, shall put it on my list. Was going music shopping today anyway – been playing with Spotify and Music Roamer lately.

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    What a state they’re in…

    Ghastly, isnt it.

    As I saw one commentator write the other day “The Left just dont have the killer instinct when it comes to getting rid of Leaders who have become liabilities. They just havent had the practice of the Tories”.
    🙂

    enfht
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    Shave her head and tatoo SCUM on her forehead. Boy, when I rule the world there are gonna be BIG changes… 😈

    Pigface
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    Never seen a government collapse so spectacularly, I am at the age now where I can really appreciate it. Quite fascinating to see them fall on eachother.

    Phosphorescent

    top stuff

    bit Bonnie Prince Billie but with less (but not much) beard

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    For those of us for whom politics is a genuine interest (as opposed to the rubbernecking and wailing headlines of the day) it feels like we are coming up to a wonderfully dramatic endgame over the next few days, culminating, I think, with a Leadership challenge on Monday after an apalling result for Labour in the two elections.

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    You know, I’m not sure I’ll manage to stay really irritable after Jacqui pisses off. No-one else annoys me to the same extent. Even if Balls gets the job I think there might be a honeymoon period in which I will give him the benefit of the doubt. 🙂

    I reckon you’re right there, Stoner. But, the question is, who would take the job on? Much as Darling was royally shafted when he took on No.11, surely whoever leads New Labour in to the next general election is on a bit of a hiding to nothing?

    JulianA
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    Please not Alan Johnson for Home Secretary. Not that murdering swine. Even less for PM. I hope they find something shady in his expenses, I really do.

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    You want irritation?
    You, Balls, small room, and a new policy announcement from him.

    More irritating then a dose of the clap.

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    Please not Alan Johnson for Home Secretary. Not that murdering swine.

    eh? what did I miss?
    Did the Postman knock twice or something?

    Premier Icon nickc
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    Losing count now, That’s Hoon, Darling, Blears, Smith, (cabinet) all apologizing and paying back. Hughes, Hewitt and Chaytor resigning at the next election.

    he’ll run out of choices. Can’t see either of Millibands or Balls being taken seriously though. Nick Brown back in?

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    I reckon Charles Clarke might be in with a chance now 🙂

    nickc, there’s always Blunkett to bring back in.

    If you’d pitched this to a comedy channel, they’d have dismissed it as too far fetched!

    But, the question is, who would take the job on? Much as Darling was royally shafted when he took on No.11, surely whoever leads New Labour in to the next general election is on a bit of a hiding to nothing?

    the similarities between this and the never ending story of England’s football managers (probably a far more important topic to some) has a strangely satisfying irony to it

    Premier Icon nickc
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    What’s with the “murdering swine” comment?

    AdamW
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    The worrying thing for me is the *post* of Home Secretary.

    Ever since the 1980s every home secretary appears to have been taken into a room and had their soul removed so they then come out and become the most fascist swine since, well, the last one. Throughout the tories and now labour I cannot remember a single home secretary that I thought did a good job or stopped to even think about what they were doing, in the name of ‘knee-jerkedness’.

    A pox on all their houses. Whoever takes over, even if it was Jesus or the Buddha would turn into a rabid b*stard after their inauguration!

    JulianA
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    @Stoner – Johnson was the man who blocked private payment for extra cancer drugs unless the patient paid for all the stuff the NHS would otherwise have administered free if the patient hadn’t been having the extra drugs.

    Socialist murderer.

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    I cant see Charles Clarke shagging Ulrika Johnson or Nnacy Delolio can you?

    Blunket on the other hand…
    🙂

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    cheers Julian. Didnt realise that, and I agree its an illogical policy. Hasnt it been reversed though?

    andywhit
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    We need an inspired selection, like when Margaret Beckett was made Foreign Secretary.

    I cant see Charles Clarke shagging Ulrika Johnson or Nnacy Delolio can you?

    oh you mean the Italian mode of politics, seems to work for them !

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    All becomes clear, thanks for that. Daft policy.

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    “Il Duce” for Home Secretary! I like it! 🙂

    JulianA
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    Hi Stoner. Yes it has now been reversed thankfully, but my disgust towards a person who is prepared to kill (or at least let others die) for their socialist policies remains.

    Stoner – Member
    “Il Duce” for Home Secretary! I like it!

    Meanwhile, across the Channel, Sarko’s laughing at us all saying, “Moi? Je suis boffing une supermodel, zut alors!”

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    There can be few people who have ever held high office who are not “murderers” by such a generous definition.

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    “Corporate Manslaughterers” doesnt have as good a ring to it BD.

    Julian – you mean the chap who backed up the NICE judgement that said these drugs were too expensive and were of little benefit?

    Now NICE does not do these things lightly. One years herceptin for one woman = 10 hip replacements = one kidney transplant etc etc.

    100 women will have to take herceptin for one to have their life extended by 6 months.

    The shameful thing was he bowed to pressure from the tory press and the drug companies to allow these very expensive and ineffective drugs to be prescribed at such huge cost that other services have to be curtailed.

    JulianA
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    BigDummy – Member
    There can be few people who have ever held high office who are not “murderers” by such a generous definition.

    Having read your post three or four times I think I see what you are getting at but would you care to expand on that?

    The shameful thing was he bowed to pressure from the tory press and the drug companies

    oh you mean the British/American mode of politics?

    JulianA
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    TandemJeremy – Member
    Julian – you mean the chap who backed up the NICE judgement that said these drugs were too expensive and were of little benefit?

    Completely wrong, TJ. I mean the man who refused to let patients pay for THEIR OWN Herceptin / [insert name of appropriate drug] unless they also paid for ALL their drugs – the drugs which were being given free to patients who couldn’t, wouldn’t or didn’t want to pay for any extras.

    noteeth
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    who is prepared to kill (or at least let others die) for their socialist policies remains

    Granted, the (thankfully, reversed) decision to deny treatment to “top-up” patients was inhumane. But doling out marginally efficacious – and hideously expensive – drugs is an issue rather more complicated than soundbite politics…

    By comparison, remember this?

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    Julian – disease kills people. A nationally funded health policy which involves the allocation of limited resources to treat people who have diseases does not, and its proponents certainly don’t murder anyone. But I agree that the policy against topping up was not an attractive one. However, we are veering off topic rather.

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    I think there’s some people who have missed Julian’s gripe.

    It is not about the realtive cost-benefit of a particular drug and it being funded by NHS money, but the penalising of those who wish to pay for additional medication by withdrawing their right to free base medication that would normally be available to any NHS patient.

    A socialist attempt to prevent the creation of a two-tier healthservice within the NHS. Bringing the market to the NHS with such scale was their Pandora’s box. They should live with it.

    noteeth
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    However, we are veering off topic rather.

    Indeed, BD. Now, what of the poisonous Blears? 😈

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    Julian – got you slightly at a tangent. I still believe very strongly that allowing them to buy their own drugs to top up NHS treatments is very wrong.

    1) You have never in the past been allowed to do this as it leads to 2 tier care – the principle of the NHS is “all without favour”

    2) it is a con – these are vulnerable people being conned into spending huge sums of money on ineffective “cures”

    3) the NHS will have to pay for the treatment of the side effects.

    Sorry Julian – you are wrong. Not one life has been saved by these drugs and never will be – they simply mean it takes you longer to die. If NICE says these drugs are inneffective thats good enough for me.

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