On one midge bars
Terrible pictures, an’ I’m not sure you’ll get much from them, but …
Singular Peregrine (granted it’s not a road bike as such, but it does do quite a bit of road work).
For completeness only (as it’s not even pretending to be a ‘road’ bike 🙄 ) Singular Gryphon:
I can’t get on with ‘normal’ drops, however wide they are – I have an issue with the ‘vertical’ drop – but I find the angle of the drops on these make for really comfortable bars …
Everything (with gears) is set up with Cane Creek cross-top levers, and Dura-Ace BL7700 bar-end shifters – the road bikes are 2 x 8, so they are set up for friction shifting, (which I prefer anyway).Posted 4 years ago
@OCB How does the Gryphon compare with the Peregrine in terms of handling and ride?
Actually, thinking about this question, it’s really quite hard to give a useful reply, but we’ll see how it goes.
It goes without saying that they are both great frames, and the handling is very secure / comfortable feeling on both bikes – ignoring an obvious degree of cross over common to almost all bikes, I think the difference is from the ride of the Gryphon being probably more like a ‘traditional’ mountain-bike, I’ve not looked at the geometry since buying them, but it feels a little slacker than the Peregrine, plus the greater stand-over is useful if you fancy pushing it further. The Gryphon, as far as I’m aware, shares it’s back-end with the Swift. I’d need to look, but I’d think the Peregrine may be a little longer, to better handle ‘touring’ loads. With suitable tyres, they’ll both climb whatever you have the legs to get them up – I’ve been astounded at the crappy surfaces I’ve got the Peregrine up.
The Peregrine is such a versatile bike that it’ll seemingly take on anything, but there comes a point where it’s tellng you that it’d be safer to walk it down this bit, than it is to ride it down (bearing in mind I’m a mincer anyway). A capable rider would get it down more stuff than I can – I guess a more [positively] angled stem might help if I did a lot of that kinda thing – I run mine quite low at the front, as it does a lot of back-country lanes / bridleway stuff, where it feels more like a day-tourer.
The problem with these bikes (and it’s a great problem to have 😀 ), is that they are perfectly happy being set up in about a million different ways, so making a meaningful / direct comparison is complicated by that. My Gryphon has flirted with skinny CX tyres in the past, and whilst it looked a bit odd, it flew on the road, but I didn’t like the loss of volume on rocky descents. The Peregrine has had 2.1’s on, and that added volume made it feel more like a traditional mountain bike (which is to say it was a bit draggy on the back-country lanes, but a bit more cushy on rough ground)…
Yeah, I was right – that is no real use as replies go. I’m probably not ever really saying that the intended use dictates the frame that much, given they both seem quite happy doing most things.
I guess if I had to come down to one bike – and purely based on the mix of riding I do, it’d be the Peregrine, but I don’t really do much overly-technical riding (unless I’m specifically riding tracks / backwoods somewhere, in which case I’ll leave the Singulars at home and take my 4X / play-bike – but then in turn, that is all that bike good for).Posted 4 years agoratadogSubscriber
Thinking of a pair of these for my Scandal 29er. Noticed all the above bikes with gears have bar end shifters, is this the only option for changing gear?
As per DrP above I ran mine with 9 speed Campagnolo Ergopower shifters. Couldn’t cope with normal drops – not supple enough – and found these a good compromise when I did use the road bike.Posted 4 years ago
Duffer – Member
Epicyclo – No Pompinos anymore?…
Still got the belt drive one and the Ti one. Gave the other to my son – can be seen punting around Edinburgh.
I moved to fatter tyres – 2.35″ Big Apples – so the Pomps don’t get much use now. Should really sell them on, but I like them a lot.
My other “road” bike takes the fatter tyres a bit further (907 with 4″ Black Floyds) – also with Midges. 🙂
Pic about 80 miles from homePosted 4 years agopaul4stonesSubscriber
Are midge bars acceptable in cyclocross races, or in the 3 Peaks?
I spent the ascent of Whernside wondering whether to tell davidb that he might get dq with his midges. It took my mind of things but he got away with it. I think they’ve relaxed the width thing once they banned flat bars. Local cx races – anything goes generally.Posted 4 years ago
RestlessNative – Member
…I think Midge bars are very hard to show properly in a pic.
It’s a strange thing that. I reckon they look good on the bike, but I’ve never managed a pic of them that looks good, but I suppose I’m concentrating on the scenery rather than the bike. Must try harder…
Just found this one of my TD-1
(Can you tell I like Midge bars? 🙂 )Posted 4 years agoigmSubscriber
I have Midge bars on my Gryphon and there is one thing that’s making me think about Woodchippers.
I have coal shovel hands and with winter gloves on there’s not enough room in the drops – fore and aft room that is. It’s a bit like someone chopped an inch more than they should have off the tail of the drops.
Smaller handed daintier people won’t have this problem.Posted 4 years agonedrapierSubscriber
slugwash, they’re Tektro RL520. Not pretty, but they work with the mtb-pull BB7s.
Comments on the bars would be that they are short in the drops. Fine for my size 9 hands. More than fine really, as I use a bar-end shifter, and the short drop keeps the lever within flicking distance of my little finger.
Set-up gives you a choice of compromises. I like the flats close to horizontal with the ground, so my hands are in a fairly natural position when standing up sprinting and out of the saddle descending off road. Downside is that the hoods aren’t that useable.
Some have the tops close to horizontal in order to use the hoods, but that puts the drops too far out for me.
They have a shallow drop though, and I think they’re intended to be easy to set up so you’re comfy in the drops pretty much all the time.Posted 4 years ago
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