It occurs to me that all the lid-only haters are protesting too much.
They secretly yearn to sample the wider pie experiences the world has to offer but they feel restricted by their macho northern culture.

Guys – it’s OK to be Pie-curious. 🙂 No one is judging you.

I am Pie-Curious.

I’d eat it, but don’t ask me to call it pie.

I am Pie-Curious.

I’d eat it, but don’t ask me to call it pie.

+1.

However being the wrong side of 50 and dragged up in Shropshire I can honestly say that the Toupee Pie is a newish imposter (never saw the like back then).

I remember the first time I witnessed one of these and the feeling of total disappointment, betrayal! I’d been lied to, duped into thinking I was going to get a proper pie. (where’s my f**kin pastry!!)

I blame the health conscious brigade trying to healthy-up the pie by removing 70% of the pastry.

But why bother when you’re gonna have it with proper chips (or buttery mash)gravy and token veg (peas, carrots whatever but not broccoli – has no place beside a pie)

We all know that the best kind of pie is a Steak Pie?

… and the best kind of steak for a pie is Scotch Beef?

Wonder what the people who promote Scotch Beef think of the whole pie issue?…..

http://www.scotchbeefandlamb.com/the-perfect-steak-pie-for-new-years-day/

This is what I think of when I think Steak pie.
I’ve eaten a variation of this every New Years Day of my life and also at every funeral I’ve ever been to .
It’s a Scottish thing. Our version occasionally contains beef link sausages. Yum.

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We all know that the best kind of pie is a Steak Pie?

… and the best kind of steak for a pie is Scotch Beef?

Wonder what the people who promote Scotch Beef think of the whole pie issue?…..

Common Pie-makers mistake forgetting to put the bottom pastry in the dish (probably rushing because the photographer needed to go home for a proper pie)

Or may be this is a north of the Border thing (and not wanting to stereo-type) saving a few pennies by leaving out the lower casing of pastry!!

Just for you PP….

😀

😆

I am a broadminded chap but there have to be limits.

Toupee Pie

Surely, a Toupie?

Just for you PP….

Nice one Fidel…

*sniff* It’s getting a bit dusty in here….

Might shed a tear and moisten the freestyle puff pastry lid of my pie 🙂

So what do shepherds eat?

And what is this?

Pastry case, but lid replaced by hot pot? But there’s no pot, so what is it? What would Betty sell it as in the Rovers?

We have two butchers in Dunblane, both make excellent pies.

However, they swing both ways. Small pies = pastry surround. Large pies = pastry lid.

😕

And what is this?

Not pie.

But it’s not pot either is it?

But it’s not pot either is it?

Don’t care. Not pie.

It’s a Meat Pot “Pie” ^^^^

So what do shepherds eat?

I think we can make an exception to names of pies that aren’t defined by their ingredients. That is to say, a pork pie is a pie with pork in it. A shepherd’s pie does not contain shepherds, and similarly a cottage pie generally does not contain cottages.

Ie, “shepherd’s pie” is the full name of a dish that is not actually a pie, in the same way that an Eccles cake is not actually a cake. See also, beef wellington.

I think we can make an exception to names of pies that aren’t defined by their ingredients. That is to say, a pork pie is a pie with pork in it. A shepherd’s pie does not contain shepherds, and similarly a cottage pie generally does not contain cottages.

Ie, “shepherd’s pie” is the full name of a dish that is not actually a pie, in the same way that an Eccles cake is not actually a cake.

I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head…Well done that Man

Thank God (Cougar) that one’s cleared up

lid replaced by hot pot? But there’s no pot, so what is it?

It’s named after the dish it’s cooked in, clearly. See also “chicken balti,” what you have in front of you isn’t a balti, that’s the name of the metal bowl it’s cooked in.

A shepherd’s pie does not contain shepherds

You have never been to Trecastle have you Cougar 😆 flock attendants vanish with alarming regularity

And what is this?

A futile attempt to derail the thread by the looks of it.

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in the same way that an Eccles cake is not actually a cake

or full of bits of Eccles.

Eccles is a concrete sh1thole and probably not very tasty at all.

It is a controversial decision, likely to cause consternation among pie and pasty connoisseurs the length and breadth of the country, even prompting talk of a boycott.

But a pasty has won the coveted top prize at this year’s British Pie Awards for the first time, beating 815 other entries to take home the title of Supreme Champion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12191345/Controversy-as-a-pasty-triumphs-at-the-British-Pie-Awards.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I think the main issue that raises is how the hell do I get myself on the judging panel at the British Pie Awards?

Just been in M&S and they have miniature pork pies with semi-integrated branston!
Genius.

See also, beef wellington

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Actually, Cougar has introduced a whole new paradox. Beef Wellington, meaty content, completely surrounded by pastry, that has absolutely no intentions of being called a pie. I recognise the puff pastry may disqualify it but I wonder whether the Duke himself thought he was inventing a dinner for pretentious 1980s southerners, or a portable alternative to the Earl of Sandwich’s meagre efforts?

If you study The Laws Of Pie (1816 Edition) it specifically states that anybody who “gives The French a proper hiding” is allowed to do whatever the **** they like.

Wellington wanted to name rubber boots and pastry based products after himself, have a nice big house at the corner of Hyde Park where he could park his horse and be Prime Minister for a bit.

Beef Wellington is just an oversized sausage roll, with beef instead of ‘pork’.

Cultural appropriation of working class Northern socialist foodstuffs by Anglo Irish warmonger, innit?

We MIGHT need a support group.
I’ll apply for a grant, I’ll have to pop down to Oddies for some research.
Mmmmmm, research.

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In the interests of ensuring that this discussion is fully inclusive of all the pies, I can’t help but wonder where and how hairy pie fits into the picture?
In my experience it only occasionally has a crust, and whilst the exact contents can be difficult to pin down, as often as not fish seems to be the primary ingredient.
Perhaps one of the resident experts could enlighten me..

I’m lost now. So is a sausage roll a pie? Surely not as it has open ends, but I could almost buy the beef wellington pie idea.

Surely some element of gravy/sauce is required for a pie.

An open end might disqualify the hairy pie on the same grounds as sausage roll though…

Hairy pie is becoming incredibly scarce these days, if monthly pie-review periodicals are to be believed. And we’re back to ‘it’s not really a pie if it’s just decorated filling.’

Look, it’s quite simple.

A pie is encased in pastry.
A pasty is a pie appropriated by our culturally oppressed, linguistically challenged brethren in the south west.

A shepherds pie is a pie in the same way a pair of shoes without heels are mules.

‘Hair pie’ (or ‘clam pasty’):
Although rapidly being replaced by the badly packed kebab, it remains a nostalgic taste of childhood for those who’s formative years were spent at an all girls boarding school.

Stop it with the stewpées.
You’re fooling no-one.
You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

So think on.

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I’m lost now. So is a sausage roll a pie? Surely not as it has open ends,

A shepherds pie is a pie in the same way a pair of shoes without heels are mules.

A sausage roll is a pie in the same way that sandals are shoes. I want a pie I can eat with my socks on.

Whereas Hairy Pie is usually consumed with your socks off.

Whereas Hairy Pie is usually consumed with your socks off.

Not in the foreign language documentaries about household good repairs I have seen.

After a long ride.. a leisurely lunch..

&

No body has mentioned TART.

Can we add people who use the term Life Hack to the guest list on the SunShip™? They can sit next to those who are confused about the meaning of pie.

Pie are squared?

No body has mentioned TART.

Well, there have been a few sharp retorts, so I suppose you could call those a bit tart…