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  • Premier Icon wwaswas
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    I guess although the wider implications for not naming people is that fewer victims come forwards (especially in cases like this where there were multiple victims)?

    Some more detail;

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/19/rolf-harris-lawyers-leveson-suppress-arrest?CMP=twt_gu

    Mr Woppit
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    I don’t get all this “Rolf worship”. He was a mediocre, barely talented paint splasher and TV “personality” who made a few poxy records.

    Who cares? F*ck him. He’s getting what he deserves.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Mr wrote:

    I don’t get all this “Rolf worship”. He was a mediocre, barely talented paint splasher and TV “personality” who made a few poxy records

    Don’t forget the Stylophone.

    He deserves a custodial sentence just for that!

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    I’m not sure anyone’s worshipping him?

    He was a TV ‘personality’ in a time when there was relatively few of them about and a lot of people know him as a result.

    I don’t think anyone’s saying he isn’t getting what he’s deserved.

    Almost the opposite – that they feel betrayed by him for making them like him for his tv persona when they were children but he was also this other person in private.

    teasel
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    Don’t forget the Stylophone.

    He deserves a custodial sentence just for that!

    Too **** right! Thanks to that cacophonic piece of shit I now know how to play Good King Wenceslas.

    Damn you, Rolf. Damn you to hell…

    did someone mention Muppets? are they involved too?

    Mr Woppit
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    they feel betrayed by him for making them like him

    Oh please. Get a life. 🙄

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Get a life

    [ahem]

    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/help-me-get-revenge

    [/ahem]

    I used the word ‘they’ deliberately. I’m disappointed but people form strange attachments to people they’ve never met – the whole Princess Di thing was it taken to it’s illogical conclusion.

    In the end it’s the girls who were abused who’ve suffered and hopefully his punishment will mean they don’t feel that his fame triumphed in keeping things hushed up.

    chambord
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    barely talented paint splasher

    I like his artwork actually and I don’t think you can argue his talent when it comes to “Paint splashing”.

    That’s not really the point here, though. An absolutely horrible man that will surely spend the rest of his days in prison

    bikebouy
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    Wow, 12 counts! 😯

    Sentencing?

    Premier Icon zippykona
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    Sun arise is still a cracking tune though.

    iolo
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    He’ll get prison in an easy jail.
    He’s famous and a paedophile so will be kept away from the “commoners” who would probably slash him within 5 seconds of meeting him. I’m not saying the slashing is a good thing but Rolf will stay in a nice room with a tv and be well fed.
    How many homeless do you see who, through no fault of their own have nohwere?
    Hopefully he will never feel freedom again for these crimes.

    Very disappointing, burn him if it’s true tho!!!

    I though that was a bit weird till I realised that my computer font and new glasses make r and n together look like m

    Premier Icon ransos
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    I don’t get all this “Rolf worship”. He was a mediocre, barely talented paint splasher and TV “personality” who made a few poxy records.

    He was part of our childhoods, just like Stuart Hall and Jimmy Savile. Of course people have an attachment to that. I’ve said before that in a very small way, the conduct of these men is the theft of our innocence.

    slimjim78
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    The curse of the extra leg

    Premier Icon LeeW
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    Gutted, anyone want some signed RH artwork?

    natrix
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    He might not even get a custodial sentence, the judge is taking his poor health into consideration apparently………. 👿

    iolo
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    So lethal injection to ease his poor suffering.

    Pigface
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    Iolo I don’t think we live in Texas, take your meds eh.

    iolo
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    So if he stays home due to ill health how do you punish?
    Stop his newspaper?

    Pigface
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    There is a difference between revenge and justice, I am not qualified to make the decision as to what his punishment will be and neither are you. The judge is (allegedly) and will sentence accordingly.

    iolo
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    I’m sure he will. I do agree that the death sentence and I was probably out of order with that sentence.
    I’m just aware that his life will not be too bad in prison or home or wherever he will be with plenty of family contact.
    What will the victims get?

    Edukator
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    and at a party in a pub for the broadcaster Michael Parkinson, where a woman working at the bar said Harris kissed her neck.

    I once had a female TV journalist give me a big kiss on the cheek having given her a ride in a car for the telethon. Should I file a complaint for sexual assault?

    I’ve read the Guardian article through and find most of the evidence is lightweight. The most damning case hangs on how old his daughter’s friend was when the consensual sex took place. Jailing him is a step to far unless that issue is clearly resolved IMO, so I hope for a suspended sentence.

    hora
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    Due to ill health?

    Like the guards who murdered Jews.

    Make it to 80 and you are immune from prosecution hey.

    Found GUILTY on NINE counts.

    jon1973
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    12 counts according to the BBC

    iolo
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    Edukator – Troll
    Jailing him is a step to far unless that issue is clearly resolved IMO, so I hope for a suspended sentence.

    I’m sure your feelings would be the same if he abused your daughter.

    Edukator
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    He’s been found guilty, so has been prosecuted. It’s now down to sentencing. I reckon all the protection society needs is a suspended sentence that tells the man “let your hands wander and you’re going to jail direct”.

    Suggsey
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    A paedophile is a paedophile, don’t care if he’s on his about to die death bed he should be given the appropriate jail sentence that abusing his status to manipulate and attack his juvenile victims deserves. There is absolutely no excuse for defending this appalling individual. Those that state lack of fact or evidence, there was enough evidence for a jury to find him guilty on 12 counts……not one dodgy count, 12!!!!!!!!

    Junkyard
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    I once had a female TV journalist give me a big kiss on the cheek having given her a ride in a car for the telethon. Should I file a complaint for sexual assault?

    🙄 How many of us have kissed a female on the neck [who were not involved with] v how many have kissed someone on the cheek when facing them ? No one can think these are even vaguely equivalent not even you.

    I reckon all the protection society needs is a suspended sentence that tells the man “let your hands wander and you’re going to jail direct”.

    So he does not need to be punished then for his crimes just told to not do it again?

    No wonder they added troll to your account.

    Premier Icon timraven
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    Cut ’em off and serve them to him with a nice Chianti, or even better leave out the Chianti.

    Anyone guilty of non-consensual sex and with a minor it’s always non-consensual should have the same treatment.

    geetee1972
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    Anyone guilty of non-consensual sex and with a minor it’s always non-consensual should have the same treatment.

    Fair point but you do know that is not what he’s been convicted, or even accused, of right?

    Edukator
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    I post from a country where the per capita prison population is about half that of the UK. One of the main reasons is that sentencing is more based on protecting society and rehabilitation than revenge and making an example.

    I think that the court case itself, the verdict and the media coverage is already a significant punishment, and jail sentence both expensive and pointless. A suspended sentence seems a reasonable response unless you’re into “an eye for an eye…”.

    Edukator
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    A quick check reveals les but not half:

    Prison populations

    Edit: don’t forget to add England, Wales Scotland, NI Jersey etc before comparing.

    Junkyard
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    dont forget to just compare sexual offences and say what % of people convicted of 12 offences get sent time …you know compare like with like or make daft statements and then back them up with almost related points
    Enough of this for me

    Bets of luck getting a “debate”

    Suggsey
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    Edukator, based on your reasonings I guess that the folk in your country like young kids to prey on then as it only attracts a suspended or rehabilitation sentence?

    Edukator
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    Well compare like with like then, Junkyard. In this case Rolf would have benefited from prescription laws in some other countries so there would’nt have been a case to answer. For example, if you made comments about what was under a girls jumper in France back in the seventies you can sleep on both your ears knowing nobody is going to arrest you for it.

    What truly baffles me is how Harris’s wife and daughter where there to support him throughout his trial. They would have heard the same evidence as the jury, and even if they didn’t believe the evidence they must have surely have believed Harris when he freely admitted that he had a sexual relationship with his daughter’s friend, claiming only that he waited until she was no longer a minor before he had sex with her.

    So as far as his wife was concerned that would have made him unfaithful and adulterous, why would she want to stand by him ? And as far as his daughter was concerned that would have made him a pervert, again, why would she want to stand by him ?

    I know that it’s not unusual for women to be in denial over such matters but I just don’t understand it.

    On the issue of whether he was truly talented it’s quite ridiculous imo to suggest that he wasn’t, on the basis it would appear that he has been found guilty of pedophilia. Of course Harris was a highly talented entertainer, that’s how he became wealthy, whether you personally liked his art, music, shows, etc, is irrelevant. Personally I thought ‘two little boys’ was utter shite.

    Edukator
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    You guess wrong, Suggsey. Attitudes are different but in a good way rather than a bad way.

    Fair point but you do know that is not what he’s been convicted, or even accused, of right?

    I thought the law stated that a minor lacked the legal authority give their consent to sex, so that sex with a minor was always non-consensual? I could be wrong on that.

    Suggsey
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    I’m intrigued by the Country you say has better attitudes towards offenders and their rehabilitation Edukator. As for the acceptance of what her husband and Bindi what her father has done is not a surprise, money motivates all sorts as does misguided loyalty……………

    Tom_W1987
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    He didn’t have sex with them. I don’t think.

    Fair enough Tom, I took the term ‘sex attacks on girls’ as meaning that he had. I freely admit knowing very little about the case as I tend to avoid reading news stories which involve unpleasant experiences/cruelty to children, and cruelty to animals. I’d rather not know the details.

    Suggsey
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    Even if he had not had penetrative sexual contact with a child what he did was indecently assault them…….they were children…….my mind boggles at the thoughts that some folk may be having over the rights and wrongs of his convictions. 🙄

    Premier Icon ourmaninthenorth
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    I thought the law stated that a minor lacked the legal authority give their consent to sex, so that sex with a minor was always non-consensual? I could be wrong on that.

    No. There’s no such concept of “statutory rape” as they have in the US. In England and Wales (not sure about Scotland), there’s a difference between those under 16 and those under 13.

    Even if he had not had penetrative sexual contact with a child what he did was indecently assault them…….they were children…….my mind boggles at the thoughts that some folk may be having over the rights and wrongs of his convictions.

    Indecent assault isn’t always what people think it is. It doesn’t always mean the perpetrator has “touched someone inappropriately” – an unwanted slap on the bum could count.

    As always, it’s better to get a detailed understanding of the alleged facts and law. Something the media rarely bother with.

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