Nick Clegg …hes playing them now!
Hauge aint grinning now!
As a Labour man I would prefer it if we did not court another party for their affections,Brown should have stood down when the election result came in, looking as though he has been pushed now by Mandie and his cronies clinging on to a bit of power.Posted 7 years ago
How TF is Clegg able to be in a position of such political importance?
You think this is bad? Wait until/if we get some sort of PR. Before you know it, major political parties will have to cosy up to extremist loons to form a government.
Either way, the person/party coming third should not hold so much sway. Nor should a multiply disgraced, unelected conman.Posted 7 years agomuddydwarfSubscriber
I'm a Labour voter through & through, i would class myself as a socialist even.
Labour lost the election, although the Tories didn't convince the electorate either Labour need to stand down with dignity. Let the Tories form a minority Govt. & watch them squirm as they fail to get anything done before being dragged to the polls again.
The LibDems need to be very careful they don't sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver…Posted 7 years ago
Before you know it, major political parties will have to cosy up to extremist loons to form a government.
Well I understood that any party would need to get at least 5 % of the vote in order to have a voice in Parliament. Such a rule would exclude the real nutters.
Nor should a multiply disgraced, unelected conman.
So you don't want CallMeDave as PM after all?
Make your mind up Flashy… 🙄Posted 7 years agohoraMember
Just what we need. Labour clinging on for their themselves but trying to paint a scene of martydom/only hanging around to help the voter.
Even with Lb-Dems on board LABOUR ARE TOO SHORT OF THE REQUIRED VOTES. This bit rankles with me. Its 'if' along with 'oh and maybe we can convince others later on'. All at the expensive of our economy. An obstinate gamble.
The voting public will become tired of this soon. I hope Labour suceeds though. In 18months time they will be enjoying two decades of opposite again.
Remember the last time they tried this.Posted 7 years agoZulu-ElevenMember
straight PR will never happen in the UK – one simple reason, the BNP – no party is willing to countenance being responsible for The Nazis having more seats than the SNP, the greens, Plaid Cymru, DUP or SLDP – Fifth biggest party, over half a million votes!
Cleggy's trying to play the estate agent game – unfortunately for him the "other offer" is a lot weaker than the one put on the table by Cameron.Posted 7 years agodeadlydarcyMember
LABOUR ARE TOO SHORT OF THE REQUIRED VOTES.
Ummm…I think that happened all three main parties. But don't let facts stand in the way of your prejudices hora. The plain fact is that the British are going into some kind of inane spiral of hand-wringing because there may be a coalition…while the rest of Europe looks on with amusement.Posted 7 years agoernie_lynchMember
What Talkemada said.
And : "25% of voters voted Lib Dem hardly a couple of people is it?? "
23 % actually. Which is about the same as they got 5 years ago. And they came third. And they got almost 2 million votes less than Labour.
Although you could be forgiven for not realising that. As Clegg appears to believe that whatever political complexion the next government is, it must involve him.Posted 7 years agospeaker2animalsSubscriber
The last time we had a hung Parliament was early mid 70s n'est pas? The 70's was hardly a period of Political/Social and financial stability was it? Really needs to be sorted well and not necessarily quickly.
I was disappointed that Lib Dems spoke to the Cons first as NC said that he WOULDN'T form a coalition with them at any cost and only Labour if GB went. I suppose you could blame GB for not going straight away (or at least announcing the stand down) for Lib Dems not doing what they said. And in some ways you can understand them talking to the player holding the most cards. I was just disappointed to see him appear not to stick to his stated convictions straight off the bat. But he's a politician isn't he. And to be fair who knows what is going on behind closed doors?
IMO Clegg and the party really need to man up. They do appear to hold the big card. I would really like to see a Lab/Lib Dem coalition. I do think that they could actually do some good. Even though I am disillusioned with Labour I'd hate to see the Cons in power especially with that smug Blair II at the controls. Having said that though having Mandy pulling the strings is in no ones interest.
As for PR, I'm sure that there must be some way for a semi PR system to be created to eliminate/minimise the influence of the lunatic fringe. Maybe a pre-election voting system to set up the parties who would be able to go forward to the General Election.Posted 7 years agoZulu-ElevenMember
mmm…I think that happened all three main parties. But don't let facts stand in the way of your prejudices hora
I think you miss his point: Labour plus Lib-Dem still does not command a majority in the house, to get that they need to "buy in" the SNP, Plain & AN other on every major decision, from who leads the party through to the budget (and tell me that Salmond wont demand a high price for his support) blackmail on every bill, political paralysis, no certainty – like herding cats for the entire life of the parliament.
Lib-Dems cannot afford another Election anytime soon, in fact theres only one party that can!
Maybe Cleggie thinks he can do a Lloyd George and become PM despite being leader of the smaller party in the coalition!Posted 7 years agoBillyWhizzMember
Why did Brown have to stand down? IMO He's steered Britain through the last few years of financial trouble as well as anyone could and certainly better than many people could have done.
People complain that he wasn't "voted in by the public" and became PM by default after TB. Doesn't that mean that whomever replaces him now will be in the same situation? They weren't "the leader of the party that people voted for"?
🙂Posted 7 years agoanagallis_arvensisMember
in all this shit I'm still amazed that Brown is the guy getting blamed by some, well Hora. Its the Tories not wanting to bend and the lib dems going for their own agenda that is leading the country into the mire. Brown has done almost nothing, other than wtach the Libs and Tories not agree and put another option in place.
ps this is very very funnyPosted 7 years ago
I think you miss his point
Nah….I don't Zulu. My point is more about the fear of coalition governments (largely driven by those who financially back the party who despite large scale disillusionment with New Labour/Brown, the failure of the Liberal Democrats bounce, still couldn't deliver a Tory majority). No wonder the likes of that cock Adam Boulton is frothing at the mouth. It's going to be a difficult few weeks while Cameron answers some awkward questions from his paymasters.Posted 7 years agoclubberMember
A good read on the current situation and likely outcomes which I thought quite credible.Posted 7 years agoBillyWhizzMember
(From the Stephen Fry page)
Within three months I imagine that any Lib Dem/Labour/Others coalition will fall, a General Election will be called, the Lib Dem vote will be decimated, the Conservatives brought to full power and Electoral /Constitutional Reform will be nothing but a wistful memory as those of us with distaste for conservatism hunker down for the duration. Demos, riots, overturned cars in the streets, many more homeless, infrastructure decay, a rise in crimes against the person and property, a happy time perhaps for the City and the secure middle classes, a dreadful time for the vulnerable, the disabled, the physically and mentally ill, the homeless and the poor. I remember the main feeling induced by living under Thatcher was shame. It was shaming to live in a country that could be so proudly, gloatingly unkind, so vulgar, shabby and ungracious in its attitudes to the outsider, the weak and the destitute. Goodness knows the Labour administration has been very, very far from perfect, but I think we will only appreciate the unheralded and uncelebrated good it did when the props it built up for the poor, the disabled and the disadvantaged have been kicked away.Posted 7 years agoSSTMember
ps this is very very funny
That IS funny. Rupert Murdoch's "Sky News" is certainly not unbiased but we all know that already.
ToryBoy Boulton was also bollocked for his bias questioning of Nick Clegg, in contravention of the pre-established rules, during the Leader's debate.
🙂Posted 7 years ago
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