No MP has ever voted against his own party more than Jeremy Corbyn. He was never going to get loyalty, simply because…. well… does that need explaining

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That’s because the majority of the time he was voting against the Tories when Labour were voting with them.

No MP has ever voted against his own party more than Jeremy Corbyn.

I don’t think parliamentary votes are what rone was talking about. I don’t ever recall Corbyn, McDonnell or Abbott calling Tony Blair a racist like many on the labour right did about Corbyn. That’s the sort of mud that sticks.

Lesson actually learned: Respect the electorate even if you don’t agree with them.

This x 1000, even if it means some people (not you I might add) think you’re a far right sympathiser 😉 At least Starmer seems to have learnt this and accepted it. I expect the focus of his first year as leader will be humble pie on brexit whilst ensuring the tories are reminded about their unachievable promises.

That’s because the majority of the time he was voting against the Tories when Labour were voting with them.

No.. thats utter cobblers, as you well know. He constantly voted against the labour government.

Him then demanding everyone then be loyal to him is like me demanding everybody else needs to go vegan, while a I’m tucking into a steak bake

The fact that he could get the words out prove how devoid of self-awareness he is, and how he doesn’t ‘get’ irony

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That’s because the majority of the time he was voting against the Tories when Labour were voting with them.

Take the blinkers off Rone, honestly.

It’s over, the Socialists had two goes at a GE against a terrible Tory government and they lost, they lost when people were more enthused about politics in generations. They will never win an election in the UK.

Him then demanding everyone then be loyal to him

Can you provide any evidence of this so called ‘demand’? I don’t think Corbyn ever demanded loyalty to himself or the leadership. The only loyalty he expected was to the party, and I think it’s obvious that the likes of Hodge, Mann, Austin etc didn’t do that. Even after the failed coup he brought some of rebels (Starmer for example) back in to the shadow cabinet. He also asked many of his blairite critics (including Cooper and Miliband) to be in his first shadow cabinet, but they refused. It may not fit with your stalinist charicature, but Corbyn never demanded blind loyalty from anyone, only their honest engagement and collaboration.

He also asked many of his blairite critics (including Cooper and Miliband) to be in his first shadow cabinet, but they refused. It may not fit with your stalinist charicature, but Corbyn never demanded blind loyalty from anyone, only their honest engagement and collaboration.

Did he ever advise the electorate to vote for the Tories?

Loyalty to the membership who voted him in.

Having fun with words… ultimately… he was always going to have problems with “loyalty” with his MPs, when…

– Most didn’t think he was up to the job, and voted accordingly in a vote of no confidence… but were told to suck it up by the wider Labour movement.

– He listened to his advisors, including one with no history of supporting the Labour Party, instead of his elected MPs.

– He has a history of voting against and talking out against previous party leaders (good on him for that, but it was always likely to result in a rebellious parliamentary party when he took on a role at the top).

The new leader needs to sack the current advisors, and needs the support of a large swath of MPs from the outset. Giving a life long Communist the ear of the leader will not result in an electable party. Forcing a leader on the MPs that they can’t work with isn’t going to lead to electoral success. Having a leader who has rebelled against former leaders is no big deal really, compared to the other points… it’s a bit of a red herring… indeed, a history showing an “independent spirit” worked well for a Corbyn for a while, until he’d been leader long enough for the focus to shift to his performance as leader.

the Socialists had two goes at a GE against a terrible Tory government and they lost, they lost when people were more enthused about politics in generations. They will never win an election in the UK.

They will one day.

Cooper speaks!

And says nothing much at all, whilst trying to absolve herself of any role in the factional infighting she tells everyone to not do do. I mean I agree, but it’s a bit like a crack dealer telling kids to ‘just say no!’. On this evidence she’s made a good decision, and to her credit has understood something that many of her fellow travellers haven’t.

Hopefully the rest of them will retreat in a similar fashion or just keep their mouths shut, especially if it’s to support/condemn any particular candidate.

Giving a life long Communist the ear of the leader will not result in an electable party.

Johnson making an anarchist his cheif of staff hasn’t exactly done him any harm. Maybe we need more ‘extremists’ in positions of influence?

The new leader needs to sack the current advisors, and needs the support of a large swath of MPs from the outset. Giving a life long Communist the ear of the leader will not result in an electable party. Forcing a leader on the MPs that they can’t work with isn’t going to lead to electoral success. Having a leader who has rebelled against former leaders is no big deal really, compared to the other points… it’s a bit of a red herring… indeed, a history showing an “independent spirit” worked well for a Corbyn for a while, until he’d been leader long enough for the focus to
shift to his performance as leader.

Very well said. At the start I liked Corbyn for exactly the reason you state. I however soon realised he was useless at leading a party, dealing with media and so on. Unfortunately it was too late then. Which is why I really do think they need a probationary period for whoever they select.

None of the candidates have a chance of uniting the Labour party, let alone the country

Hopefully the rest of them will retreat in a similar fashion or just keep their mouths shut

The purge continues.

Maybe we need more ‘extremists’ in positions of influence?

Fun comment. That doesn’t change the fact that communists and others on the far left are not the people to turn to for advice if you want to get the Labour Party into government in the UK.

RLB’s now confirmed.
So she and Rayner will each lobby for the other.
Can’t see any of the leadership contenders lobbying for Burgon as deputy.
Butler is poor quality.
Mahmood….?
We need more and better quality candidates for deputy.

Rayner has deputy sewn up… that’s the obvious plan behind her pinning her flag to the role so early, when others were talking about her trying for leader, no?

Typical Guardian bias against RLB.

Classic.

Typical Guardian bias against RLB.

Morning comrades. A question for you…. Can you pinpoint the exact stage that the Guardian, the Independent and Channel 4 news joined the the BBC and all the rest of the right-wing media in their conspiracy against the left?

It just seems that the Guardian giving RLB a full page editorial to launch her leadership bid doesn’t seem to confirm their bias against her, to me?

Does it to you. Well… clearly it does. Can you explain why?

Feel free to reply from either inside or outside the bunker. Tinfoil helmet optional.

You may have missed the joke. i.e. that Long Bailey is Britains worst ever rapist and has also launched a wildlife disaster in Australia. Or it could read like that with a few movements of commas.

Eh?

not had the morning coffee yet?

explicit comma relocation:

“Britain’s worst ever rapist, Long Bailey, launches bid and an unfolding wildlife disaster in Australia.”

Its a good job it was in the Grauniad – a publication that has such an impeccable reputation for grammar, punctuation, spelling and prof-reading 😉

The current woes of the Labour Party have you in a permanent state of rant-readiness, Binners. 🙂

Its not just the labour party. I’m like that about pretty much everything at the moment fella 😉

You may have missed the joke. i.e. that Long Bailey is Britains worst ever rapist and has also launched a wildlife disaster in Australia. Or it could read like that with a few movements of commas.

I just saw it as a joke on the column layout.

Binrade reading too much into it.

Paranoid bunker mentality will do that.

Listening to RLB, her pitch is ‘Jeremy was right about everything. The only reason we lost the election was because he was unfairly treated by the press’?

Brilliant! The next election is in the bag

…. for the Tories

I haven’t read her campaign launch piece in the Tribune yet (just like 99.99% of voters).

Sounds like it can be summed up in four words

“more of the same”

The ‘logic’ seems to be that in their hearts the whole electorate were and all massive enthusiasts for Corbynism and socialism, but they wouldn’t vote for it because Rupert Murdoch said Jeremy was in the IRA. So if Jeremy leaves and we get that woman from HR in to say the same thing, we’ll win with a landslide

Flawless!

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/01/rebecca-long-bailey-labour-leadership-socialism

Listening to RLB, her pitch is ‘Jeremy was right about everything. The only reason we lost the election was because he was unfairly treated by the press’?

I find RBL really hard listen to regardless of what she’s saying. After a few minutes her words just sort of wash over me. I think John Crace said something similar in a podcast last month.

Is it just me?

I guess they’re banking on appealing to members first (to become leader), then go for the electorate later.
Thing is – as a member, I’m now looking for someone who will appeal to the electorate. RLB isn’t it.
I’d love it to be Clive Lewis from a personal point of view, but trying to predict who will appeal and who will be easy to dismiss isn’t easy among the choice given so far.

RBL

Rebecca Bong Lady?

I find RBL really hard listen to regardless of what she’s saying. After a few minutes her words just sort of wash over me. I think John Crace said something similar in a podcast last month.

Is it just me?

Its not just you

She’s from the same mould as Corbyn. He always sounded like a photocopier salesman at a conference in the East Midlands explaining, just after lunch, to a bored, sleepy audience the latest developments in toner cartidges.

She’s exactly the same. A completely charmless, charisma-free-zone with all the soaring oratory skills of a fridge freezer. After a couple of sentences, its like listening to the teacher off Charlie Brown as you go sleepy-bo-bo’s

Rebecca Bong Lady?

I need more caffeine.

Just read her Tribune piece. She won’t be getting my vote but I’m sure the Corbyn fan club will love her.

Wrong-Daily is unelectable. Obviously Labour lost beacuse they weren’t Left enough and she is the natural continuity candidate. She seldom comes across well on QT despite multiple visits and clearly needs presentation training (ala Margaret Thatcher). When will they realise that when you elect a joke candidate, you get… well a joke, obvously.

At least Starmer has the apparent debating ability to hold the government to account and is reasonably appealing to the middle voters. Thta makes him the most credible opposition leader. Much of that will be to hold the Government’s feet to the Brexit fire. Of course the party members won’t want that.

I despair of when I’ll next vote Labour to be honest.

Bin – you know how you like to talk about car crash interviews. Your favourite is coming apart at the seams.

Jess Phillips waffling under some pretty brutal scrutiny (lol) from well renowned political heavyweight interviewer, Susanna Reid, gives little comfort Jess is fit for any responsibility above that of managing a small village store.#LabourLeadership #GMB pic.twitter.com/d3uIyBlGSY

— Colin Valley #FreePalestine (@MomentumCV) January 7, 2020

Sympathetically for you I do hate those two doing the IVs.

Maybe being leader isn’t as easy as you think?

Is it just me?

No it’s not. She’d be good in a policy implementation role, but not on sales. Her policy priorities of a green new deal and being unashamedly pro-immigration are exactly as they should be. Hence why I think she should be shadow chancellor, in the McDonnell mould.