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  • New iPhone release
  • phil5556
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    I haven’t checked yet but does the new iPad OS support multiple users? It’s the only thing stopping me getting a iPad, because we’re definitely not buying 2.

    Superficial
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    Not unless they’ve made major changes silently compared with the public betas. So no, unfortunately.

    I completely agree – multiple user accounts needs to happen.

    phil5556
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    I thought it was discussed as happening, but then haven’t seen anything since. Fingers crossed it will arrive eventually.

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    CountZero
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    Put in my order for an 11 Max Pro this evening, silver, with 512Gb of storage.
    I was going to buy direct from Apple paying monthly, but then I had an email from O2, who I’ve been with for years; their offer was pretty much the same price per month over 36 months, but also included an airtime package giving free calls and texts with 90Gb of data! £40/month interest free for the phone and £35 for the airtime, Apple ask £72/month just for the phone, so it’s a no-brainer, really, especially as my mortgage is paid off this month, so I’ve got money to play around with for a change.
    My current package has 10Gb, so this is basically unlimited, although for an extra fiver I could have had 120Gb of data. 😳
    I can’t conceive of ever using even a quarter of that a month, but as it’s available, what the heck.

    Drac
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    £72 a month. 😯

    5lab
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    That’s crazy expensive. I just got a Samsung s10, with a watch for £35 a month (all in), also 100gb, unlimited everything else (and only a 24 month contract..)

    Kryton57
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    I can’t conceive of ever using even a quarter of that a month, but as it’s available, what the heck.

    £72 a month for something you aren’t going to use just because you can have it?  Wow.

    zilog6128
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    £75/month if you read the post.

    It’s actually not crazy IF you’re gonna use it as it breaks down to £1500 for the phone & about £33/m for the plan (which is not terrible). Having said that o2 have literally just text me an offer which is £25/m for 100gb on a sim-only plan so there are better deals out there.

    Also personally even though I’ve always gone for maxed-out memory phones in the past, I think now I’d just go for the minimum since 99% of my music/films/tv etc I just stream on demand… even photos/messages/etc you can archive automatically. Only using just over half of the 128gb storage on my 3 year old 6S whereas in pre-cloud days I’d be frantically deleting stuff quite regularly to claw back some space 😀 That would be a huge saving as they REALLY know how to charge for the extra memory!

    molgrips
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    £1500 for a phone is pretty terrible value.

    zilog6128
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    Why? It’s literally the cheapest price you can get it. (Unless you have the secret hook-up for Apple stuff less than RRP at launch… if you do, please tell me 😂) (also, the phrase “xxx for a phone” does make you sound like a bit of a gammony dinosaur 🍖 🦕 😀 of course you realise that making telephone calls is probably the LAST thing he wants it for)

    phil5556
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    I’m with molgrips. It’s a crazy amount for a phone. There’s nothing gammony or dinosaury about thinking that.

    However I don’t care if someone else wants to spend that much.

    As an aside I have a Three SIM only deal that costs me £15 with unlimited data and more calls/texts than I know what to do with. Don’t know if they still offer it but it sounds much better than £35 with O2 (unless they offer something extra).

    Drac
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    Yup they do I pay £20 for mine.

    Still on my 7 after 3 years I may but a XS next year secondhand as despite being a heavy user I can’t justify the cost of brand new models.

    jet26
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    Clever by Apple. Five years ago 1500 pounds for phone would have been seen as totally bonkers. They have managed to make it normal (at least to some people).

    COI: 180 quid Motorola. It phones people and takes pictures too!

    CountZero
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    I’ve had my iP6+ for five years, it’s used for just about everything, music, books, satnav, photography, web browsing, lots of stuff, and that £1500 over five years is £300/year, £25/month; I’m pretty sure many on here spend more than that a month on more frivolous items!
    Sure there are cheaper phones, but so what? They don’t offer the features that the iP11 Pro Max offers, and there are a couple of features that haven’t been picked up on yet that are going to make it even more useful on a day to day basis, like Wide-band tracking of personal objects with a Tile-like tracker.
    As regards storage, I have a current music library of around 230Gb, which I’ve never had the opportunity to carry with me, my iPod Classic is 180Gb, so limited to what I had at the time.
    I absolutely refuse to deal with streaming of any sort, partly because of the restricted bitrate, but mostly because of the business practices of the likes of Spotify that rips off artists, it doesn’t pay even close to the minimum wage here in the UK. I buy CD’s, or sometimes download from iTunes, which does pay artists a legitimate royalty for their work; Apple Music unfortunately downgrades whatever is in ones library to 256Kbs, whereas I rip everything to 320 or lossless, and I’m not allowing my music to be downgraded in quality.
    Now, if Apple upgraded the iTunes Store and Apple Music to Lossless, then I’d consider using it, but I value having music I’ve bought and paid for available on my devices, and not renting it, only to have it vanish when the company shuts down, which has happened a couple of times recently.

    mudshark
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    I’m looking at replacing my iPhone 5s as it’ll no longer get iOS updates, a shame as mostly does what I need to do with it. Seems to me that only Apple guarantee to keep a model going with updates for a reasonable length of time, I believe with Android only likely to get for 2 years? How much of an issue is this?

    I see good value(?) Android phones for around £200 – Moto g7, good ones for around £500 – Samsung S10e and then the iPhones from around £600. So if going for an iPhone 8 then that will be cheaper than the latest ones but will get updates for fewer years than the latest ones so a false economy? Or do we not really need to care about updates? Perhaps security is the only thing to really care about with updates and they pretty secure really?

    lunge
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    I think the cost thing is dependent on how much you value the functionality of your phone and also how long you keep it.

    I’ve currently got an iPhone 6 which I bought within a month or 2 of it being released at the back end of 2014 so I’ve had it 5 years. I think it cost £600 ish, so £120 per year, £10 per month. That, combined with a cheap SIM only deal, to me is an absolute bargain for a devise that organises my life, helps me earn money and I generally live on. After 5 years of heavy, daily usage it’s slow, crashes sometimes and is generally on its way out.

    Yes, the Pro is a chunk more money, but I can live with that if it too lasts 5 years and continues to organise my life. I’m sure I could get a cheaper phone that does what I need but I also like the Apple systems and how it all works.

    vinnyeh
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    What’s the purpose of these contracts with 20, 40, 60gb of data?

    It seems to  me it’s too much data to use while away from wifi, but not enough to consider using it to replace a broadband connection if you’re using it to stream video services.

    buenfoxa
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    It’s literally the cheapest price you can get it.

    £67 a month from Virgin

    5lab
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    What’s the purpose of these contracts with 20, 40, 60gb of data?

    It seems to me it’s too much data to use while away from wifi, but not enough to consider using it to replace a broadband connection if you’re using it to stream video services

    spotify is approx 150mb/hour. if you listen to it for a few hours a day, you’re above 10gb pretty quickly

    business practices of the likes of Spotify that rips off artists

    people say that because the artist gets approx 1p per track play, but if you consider in physical media they’d earn about £1/album, if you listened to each track more than 10 times on average (which I certainly do) – they’d be earning more than you with spotify than with album sales.

    if you want a phone with a large amount of storage available, using an iphone is a very expensive way of doing so. microSD cards are down to around 10p/GB, charging ten TIMES (as apple are) that is extortion.

    phil5556
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    What’s the purpose of these contracts with 20, 40, 60gb of data?

    Mine’s unlimited (I assume there’s a fair usage policy but I’ve never read it). It means I never have to worry about running out or look for WiFi to use.

    I’ve apparently used 21gb since 24th Aug, mostly on music streaming, photos uploading to and some video streaming. Which is probably higher than usual but I have no idea, because I don’t have to. Oh and it’s only £15/month 🙂

    Cougar
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    What’s the purpose of these contracts with 20, 40, 60gb of data?

    Marketing?

    MrSmith
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    £1500 is just stupid, and that’s speaking as somebody who happily spends £3k on a mac every couple of years without flinching but thats because i make money with it nearly every day.

    even with the vat off and a discount an iPhone 11 makes no sense (for me) i paid £450 for an iPhone 8 and £17 month for 12 gb/unlimited and expect to get 3 years use out of that phone.

    molgrips
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    What’s the purpose of these contracts with 20, 40, 60gb of data?

    Phone tethering whilst travelling. If I am at a work location and I can’t access their wifi, I have to tether. Then there’s sundry other things – I was in Italy during the world cup and I streamed a couple of England matches cos they weren’t on Italian telly in the hotel. Also mine gets used when travelling long distances with the kids – they use it from their tablets.

    zilog6128
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    £1500 is just stupid, and that’s speaking as somebody who happily spends £3k on a mac every couple of years

    I guess if you’re only buying mid-range computers you’re probably not the target market for a Pro smartphone. Not ordered one yet but I probably will soon (although happy to settle for one around the £1k mark 😃), if I get 4 years out of it then at well under a quid a day (even before VAT off, etc) for such a capable device that I’ll use many times every day it sounds like decent value to me. YMMV 😃

    mudshark
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    even with the vat off and a discount an iPhone 11 makes no sense (for me) i paid £450 for an iPhone 8 and £17 month for 12 gb/unlimited and expect to get 3 years use out of that phone.

    Is that because you think it’ll be tired after 3 years or because no more iOS updates? Would you spend an extra £300 for a better iPhone that’ll get updates for 5 years?

    P-Jay
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    Put in my order for an 11 Max Pro this evening, silver, with 512Gb of storage.
    I was going to buy direct from Apple paying monthly, but then I had an email from O2, who I’ve been with for years; their offer was pretty much the same price per month over 36 months, but also included an airtime package giving free calls and texts with 90Gb of data! £40/month interest free for the phone and £35 for the airtime, Apple ask £72/month just for the phone, so it’s a no-brainer, really, especially as my mortgage is paid off this month, so I’ve got money to play around with for a change.
    My current package has 10Gb, so this is basically unlimited, although for an extra fiver I could have had 120Gb of data. 😳
    I can’t conceive of ever using even a quarter of that a month, but as it’s available, what the heck.

    Congrats on paying off your mortgage. I can only dream of such as thing. Hey, it’s your money, spend it how you see fit.

    I don’t pay my mobile bills, I think my Wife is crackers paying £42 for her XR but still.

    If you hadn’t already put in your order I’d ask the following (I do this sort of shit for a job):

    Do you really need half a terabyte of storage? It’s a staggering amount, or did you just treat yourself to the poshest one because you cleared your mortgage? Considering the hybrid cloud storage solution Apple uses. Most users wouldn’t fill the most basic 64GB (and £350 cheaper version).

    If you’re ‘only’ using 2.5GB of data a month, you’re likely not a ‘power user’ it’s by no means the only measure, but for example I have a 40GB monthly allowance and will go over, 2/3 months out of the year. Will you notice the extra performance over the ‘normal’ 11 or indeed the fancier photos?

    Maybe £75 a month seems a ‘no brainer’ now, but 36 months is a very, very long time for ‘Tech’ would you still think paying £75 a month for an iPhone 7 Plus now would be so no brainer? the 7 launched 3 years ago this month.

    CountZero
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    people say that because the artist gets approx 1p per track play

    1p/play? It’s something like .0017p/play, IIRC.

    Do you really need half a terabyte of storage? It’s a staggering amount, or did you just treat yourself to the poshest one because you cleared your mortgage? Considering the hybrid cloud storage solution Apple uses. Most users wouldn’t fill the most basic 64GB (and £350 cheaper version).

    You clearly didn’t read what I posted. My current iP6+ is a 128Gb model, and has only 8.65Gb of music on it, it has 32.04Gb used by UK Map, 4.22Gb in photos, 3.24Gb in ViewRanger, 2.11Gb in TomTom GO, and 1.39Gb in Books.
    My actual music library on my Mac is around 225Gb, and I want to be able to put the whole lot on my phone, like I used to be able to do with my 180Gb iPod Classic, until my library got too big.
    As I continue to buy and rip music, I’ll continue to add it to my phone, and as my 6+ is five years old, it’s not unreasonable to imagine I could easily add another 100Gb or so to my music library, as well as my continual addiction to books, which will also need space in the Books app.
    Most users don’t use all of a 64Gb phone; I’m not most users.
    And I don’t use cloud storage for music, for reasons stated above.

    CountZero
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    Regarding Spotify royalties paid to artists:

    According to one Spotify company filing, average per-stream payouts from the company are between $0.006 and $0.0084; numbers from Apple Music, YouTube Music, Deezer and other streaming services are comparable. That creates a winner-takes-all situation in which big artists nab millions and small ones can’t earn a living wage. It’s nothing new — one could argue that such were the dynamics in almost every era of music past — but the numbers are more dramatic than before.

    From this article in Rolling Stone Magazine:

    How Musicians Make Money — Or Don’t at All — in 2018

    lunge
    Full Member

    iPhone 11 Pro picked up yesterday. First impressions compared to my aged 6 are as you would expect, the screen is amazing and it’s very, very quick. It’s also a tough heavier and runs a little warmer too.

    Will update further once I’ve used it more.

    zilog6128
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    Cool. Keep hovering over the buy button to replace my (annoyingly perfectly functional 6S). It’s important to jump on board ASAP I feel as you get a few more days use before the inevitable obsolescence 😂 Would be interested to know how the battery life compares.

    mickyfinn
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    Buy music then don’t bother ripping it (This is what I do) and stream instead. The streaming payment may be a pittance but at least the artist gets paid more than once (unlike you buying and listening to the CD or rip over and over), also it means you don’t need the whopping big phone storage Win win…

    CountZero
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    Buy music then don’t bother ripping it (This is what I do) and stream instead. The streaming payment may be a pittance but at least the artist gets paid more than once (unlike you buying and listening to the CD or rip over and over), also it means you don’t need the whopping big phone storage Win win…

    What is this obsession with bloody streaming? I want access to my music any time I want it, without needing to concern myself with whether I’ve got any kind of signal to allow for streaming, there are frequently situations where I can barely download a sodding web page, let alone stream several hours of music, if I go camping, I don’t even have a phone signal!
    As for buying music on CD, then streaming it instead of ripping it onto my computer, where I can listen to it at home, and putting it onto my phone, and paying £120 a year to Spotify, for something I’ll never own, rather than using the money to buy more CDs or gig tickets, frankly I think it’s a waste of money.
    That’s £600 over five years, roughly the amount extra for the 512Gb phone, which will probably last me five years.
    I don’t see a win, there.
    I’ve now had my phone for a day, due to difficulties regarding delivery, it arrived yesterday, and after copying everything over from my 6+ I’ve only had today to use it, and not much at that, but the huge screen real-estate is wonderful, particularly reading a book and running my satnav, Face ID is fantastic, I really like just stroking up from the bottom of the screen to close apps, and it’s really, really quick.
    No chance to use the camera yet, but the phone’s a world away from the 6+.
    To return to the cost, it’s a total cost of £75/month, which is £45 for the phone, £30 for the airtime, which is only £10/month more than I’m paying now. Remove the airtime contract, £45/month is hardly extravagant – Christ, I was spending that on coffee in town after work at one time, I was paying more than that on bike magazines!

    mickyfinn
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    What is this obsession with bloody streaming?

    God knows, I hear Wax cylinders are great too.

    Jamze
    Full Member

    What is this obsession with bloody streaming?

    God knows, I hear Wax cylinders are great too.

    Maybe the access to 50M/35M songs for the price of one CD a month attracts people??

    lunge
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    Would be interested to know how the battery life compares.

    Really, really good so far. I can easily get away with 2 days without charging and I’m not a light user.
    Camera is amazing as well.

    CountZero
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    Maybe the access to 50M/35M songs for the price of one CD a month attracts people??

    Yeah, right. How many just rely on algorithms that say, ‘if you like this, you’ll like these…”, which is just more of the same?
    Christ, I don’t find enough time to listen to the stuff I own, which numbers in the tens of thousands of tracks!
    It’s like Amazon suggestions, they’re almost inevitably something just like what I have, or something I already have. Recently I’ve bought a re-issue of Buckingham/Nicks, Tinariwen, The Beatles Abbey Road, Opeth, the New Pornographers, Pixies, Sheryl Crow, Warren Zevon, and Lankum, an Irish folk band.
    I’m not sure how Spotify or other streaming service would quantify those.

    Jamze
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    Recently I’ve bought a re-issue of Buckingham/Nicks, Tinariwen, The Beatles Abbey Road, Opeth, the New Pornographers, Pixies, Sheryl Crow, Warren Zevon, and Lankum, an Irish folk band.
    I’m not sure how Spotify or other streaming service would quantify those.

    I’m prob not typical, but I don’t use the algorithms, I’ll find and listen to a whole album (doing it now, Buckingham/McVie), and I don’t worry if I don’t have time to listen to everything 😀

    Quick check, all of the above are on Amazon Music, many in lovely hi-res too.

    stumpy01
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    Christ, I don’t find enough time to listen to the stuff I own, which numbers in the tens of thousands of tracks!

    Which you no doubt accumulated over many years of purchasing music when you had no choice but buy a CD. Not everyone has a massive music collection, or was around when buying CDs was a thing….some of the younger blokes I work with have never purchased a physical CD.

    You say you have tens of thousands of tracks…how many is tens of thousands?
    Assume 20,000.
    Assume 15 tracks per CD. (Probably a bit generous) – that’s 1,333.3 CDs.
    Assume £8 per CD – that’s £10,666

    At current prices, that’s 88 years of Spotify subscriptions…..should be enough!

    Seems funny to keep going on about the £120 annual cost of Spotify when you are happy to spend £900 a year on a phone (or phone + contract?). My phone cost me £200 (I’ve had it 2.5yrs so far) and my contract is £15/month – Assuming I keep it for 4 years, it’ll only cost £230/yr. Even when adding on £120/yr for Spotify, that still leaves plenty of left over to buy CDs and/or gig tickets with the money saved over a £900 annual phone contract.

    andykirk
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    It’s interesting reading what people think of as ‘a lot of money’ to pay for a phone. If you look at all the things a phone now does for you and how much time you spend on it then say £1000 for a phone doesn’t really seem to be that much. I bet most of you spend more time on your phone than your £1000+ mountain bike.

    As an aside I wish Nokia had just brought out an Android phone years ago or developed their own OS a bit more rather than that daft Windows venture. Nokia used to make fabulous phones, now they just license out their name to another company. Sad.

    vinnyeh
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    You say you have tens of thousands of tracks…how many is tens of thousands?
    Assume 20,000.
    Assume 15 tracks per CD. (Probably a bit generous) – that’s 1,333.3 CDs.
    Assume £8 per CD – that’s £10,666

    At current prices, that’s 88 years of Spotify subscriptions…..should be enough!

    I think one of the Count’s main points is that it’s not about getting the music as cheaply as possible- it’s about paying the creator a bit more than the music equivalent of minimum wage.

    I see both sides here,but  I’m a hypocrite really in this- we’ve a family subscription to Spotify.

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