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  • Premier Icon RicB
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    I agree with Northwind – the best strategy for 1×10 riders is a 22t granny gear. Yes you have to manually change the chain over but I suspect most riders will know which hills they’ll need it for. Plus it’s easy to remove without having to re-index.

    99% of the time you’re getting the silent, chain retaining benefits of narrow/wide plus clutch mech and the 1% is there with the 22t granny if you need it.

    I do it for big days in the lakes.

    simonm
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    Dan it was heavy, but just reduced the amount I lost with front mech etc.
    It didnt eat away my free hub body and worse than normal shimano does on hope hubs.

    Like that Northwind! Sounds like a no brainer for weekends in the big hills.

    Premier Icon fathomer
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    DanW – Member
    Before everyone bombards Works, it appears they have something similar in the pipeline for the New Year all being well.

    Sounds interesting, something similar to this but 40t and about Β£35-40 would be ideal πŸ˜€

    scottfitz
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    Would/does the chain stay on a standard 22t granny ring with a clutch mech? Has anyone tried?

    DanW
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    Sounds interesting, something similar to this but 40t and about Β£35-40 would be ideal

    In the email Works suggested 40T and 42T around Β£45-55. Not bad if it comes off!

    crankrider
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    Would/does the chain stay on a standard 22t granny ring with a clutch mech? Has anyone tried?

    If you are only grinding up a hill and then popping it back on the other ring at the top it should be fine.

    Would be a good option for trails where you have long fire-road climbs…

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    Cheaper and simpler than that General lee job isn’t it, still a little steep for what it is perhaps…

    Whoever does something similar (in aluminium rather than Stainless) for around the ~Β£40 mark or roughly the equivalent price of a posh chainring (which is about as complex to make) will clean up IMO…

    If it happens to be workscomponents then I can see them doing very nicely with a Thick/thin chainring & big sprocket “Bundle”…

    core
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    So one solution to getting the right 1×10 set up is to actually ride 2×10 without a front mech………….

    Or ride 1x 10.5/11, because you don’t have enough gears……

    Sounds like 2 x 10 is the answer.

    Premier Icon RicB
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    Not in my opinion; 2 x 10 involves front mechs and shifters, plus means you can’t run a narrow-wide front ring.

    1×10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it’s easy to install/remove.

    scottfitz
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    1×10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it’s easy to install/remove.

    agree

    With vouchers and cashback you can get an X01 setup (minus the cranks) at crc for Β£450, that’s with a hope freehub!

    brant
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    Incidentally if anyone really wants a bailout gear for their 1×10, here’s what to do. Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring. It weighs nowt, and the only way to shift into it is to get off and move the chain by , so you’ll not be tempted to use it all the time but it’s there when your legs give out. Ta da!
    (it has the extra advantage that it’ll infuriate people on the internet)

    I realised I could do that the other day. Production Codeine bikes might be coming like that πŸ™‚

    When will we see the production codeine bikes Brant?

    matther01
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    New trickstuff 11-40 cassettes being shipped in the next 2-3 weeks, to be followed by 11-38. Not cheap at Β£169.99…but still better than sram prices.

    Liking Northwinds solution though.

    brant
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    groundskeeperwilly – Member
    When will we see the production codeine bikes Brant?
    POSTED 36 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

    Codeine29 well into production. We are getting final production samples in a few weeks just to check everything is to tolerance.

    I think end of January is feasible

    steve_b77
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    1×10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it’s easy to install/remove.
    agree

    Ah, you mean ‘mountain biking’ :mrgreen:

    Codeine29 well into production. We are getting final production samples in a few weeks just to check everything is to tolerance.

    I think end of January is feasible

    Great-any teasers on price or potential build kits, weights etc?

    So the ideal setup for 1×10 is to have two chainrings up front? πŸ˜†

    (TBF to Northwind I’ve thought exactly that in the past. Would only really work with a narrow-wide ring and no device, of course. Never got around to trying it out though)

    mashiehood
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    A straw poll – how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

    adevaynes
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    what everyone really needs is a hammerschmidt πŸ™‚

    DanW
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    A straw poll – how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

    Summer- More than fine, completely perfect

    Winter- Mostly fine except when combining a day of having bad legs with particularly sticky mud clogging everything up and draggy mud tyres. Then grinding up a long, steep climb at 60rpm has me wishing for another gear or two!

    Racing- Fine on the climbs but I was wishing for an extra harder gear or two to keep up with groups on longer, pedally descents (don’t really ride anything like this at home so not set up for it)

    Overall, adequate but I wouldn’t turn down a bit more range. Can’t face going back to the mess and faff of having a front mech again so XX1 is appealing but I don’t have the pennies at the moment.

    Premier Icon jameso
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    So the ideal setup for 1×10 is to have two chainrings up front?

    (TBF to Northwind I’ve thought exactly that in the past. Would only really work with a narrow-wide ring and no device, of course. Never got around to trying it out though)
    Works ok with a std mech and a 22 granny + 34T single ring combo on less aggro trails, tried it for bikepacking trips. Add a clutch mech and it’d be ok for general use I think. I tried a 3-spd rear that relied on a manual shift too but CBA to change most of the time anyway and ended up on a slack-chained SS..

    brant
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    Great-any teasers on price or potential build kits, weights etc?

    We worked out from Β£1499 with a Pike and x9 and a monarch to Β£2499 with x01, ccdb and reverb.

    Frames from Β£799 with CCDB.

    Frame weight is 7lb w/o shock. It’s no lightweight but it’s solid.

    Proper fun trail bike.

    brant
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    A straw poll – how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

    Certainly a big advantage of 650b over 29in is it makes the gears lower.

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    mashiehood – Member

    A straw poll – how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

    Not perfect- there’s times on faster trails I could do with a higher gear (not because I spin out but because I might like to pedal slower). And certainly times it’s been hard work on the climbs! But I do like it despite or maybe because of the drawbacks.

    robarnold
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    Wonder how well this works with a 10 speed rear mech? I thought the 11 speeds were significantly different in order to get out the way of, and shift up to, the massive sprocket

    This is the reason I ditched my General Lee. Regular rear mechs (medium and long cage, it made no odds) just weren’t capable of dealing with the big cogs effectively. No matter how much b-tension fiddling, it wouldn’t shift smoothly on and off the adaptor from the regular cassette gears.

    The reason for it is the position of the upper jockey wheel, it’s too far back on a normal mech which won’t allow the chain to pick up on the cassette cog early enough to give you a good shift. This is where the XX1 type rear mech has the advantage at the minute.

    I’ve gone back to an 11-36 cassette with a 30t wolftooth ring any I can get up everything I could with my General Lee.

    Yetiman
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    Robarnold – were you running the 40t or 42t version? I haven’t had any problems yet in 4 Β½ months running a 40t General Lee and medium cage XT clutch mech. There’s a little bit of overshifting required going up the Generals cogs, due to the lack of ramps I guess, but the mech lifts the chain into place easily enough, even on the biggest 40t cog. It drops down ok too. However, I think the 42t version might be a step too far for a standard mech as mine is already at its limit with the 40t.

    ndthornton
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    1×10 – great idea!

    Hang on I cant get up the hills…. Wait, how about bodging the cassette to include a dustbin lid sized sprocket!!

    Hmm still not enough… I know, a big ring and a little ring with no front mech! Great idea…

    …But if only I could switch rings while riding…. I know put the front mech back on and move it by hand??

    …No that’s no good maybe if i Attach a cable to the mech and pull on that when I want to switch?

    …Well kind of works but its bloody hard work. This would be a lot easier if I attached the cable to some sort of lever arrangement.

    Cor this is great! Im going on dragons Den!

    Doh!!!!

    Hob Nob
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    The clear caveat to a 1×10 setup is having the legs to pedal it properly.

    I understand the benefits, but if the gearing compromise is too much for your legs/lungs, it is a bit silly.

    I’ve run it for 3 years now, 34T front, 11-36 out back, Lots of riding, and racing. Only time it was a real ballache was when I missed a lift back from Oz back up to Alpe D’Huez, so had to do a beast of a fire road climb, which hurt, a lot. Hardly a representation of a normal ride though (1000m continuous climbs!).

    Looks like a better solution than the General Lee on my wife’s bike though. If it shifts on/off the new big ring properly.

    ndthornton
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    The clear caveat to a 1×10 setup is having the legs to pedal it properly.

    and as you just described – the length and grade of the hills you normally climb.

    Most people can honk it for a few mins but not many for 20+

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    I am very happily running a 1×9 set-up with a 12-36 cassette. However, I have a shifter, front mech and granny ring in my parts box waiting to go back on for any really big trips.

    πŸ™‚

    z1ppy
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    Incidentally if anyone really wants a bailout gear for their 1×10, here’s what to do. Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring. It weighs nowt, and the only way to shift into it is to get off and move the chain by , so you’ll not be tempted to use it all the time but it’s there when your legs give out. Ta da!

    I’m struggling with this, why would you not just fit a front mech? Shirely the only advantage of the thick/thin is that you don’t need a guide but if you have a mech (oh and the minor weight loss, with no mech/shifter), you can use normal rings that are cheaper & do exactly the same job & won’t fall off?

    Mashiewood, after 10 months on a 32:11-36, when it wears out, I bailing got everything to replace it with a dual ring setup. Call me a whimp but my knee’s hurt.

    I’m struggling with this, why would you not just fit a front mech? Shirely the only advantage of the thick/thin is that you don’t need a guide but if you have a mech (oh and the minor weight loss, with no mech/shifter), you can use normal rings that are cheaper & do exactly the same job & won’t fall off?

    Normal rings don’t do exactly the same job! Singlespeed rings are better at keeping the chain on than shifting rings. Thick-thin rings are better still.

    I like this idea – I run 34t 11-36 1×10 all the time, and have been on 1×10 or 1×9 for a few years now. I can’t remember the last time I needed a lower gear but if I were going to Wales or Scotland or anywhere with really long climbs (and if it’s a trip away I’m doing multiple consecutive days of riding) it would be nice to have some lower gears to save the legs. Adding a granny ring without shifter or mech would do that with minimal hassle. Recently my away trips having involved uplift so the legs have had an easier time! πŸ˜‰

    z1ppy
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    Maybe I’m not riding hard enough then, but I can’t say my chain ever fell off with normal rings and a mech, as the mech kept it on πŸ˜‰

    steve_b77
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    z1ppy – Member
    Maybe I’m not riding hard enough then, but I can’t say my chain ever fell off with normal rings and a mech, as the mech kept it on

    You obviously haven’t fully bought into the ‘Enduro Life’ that requires you to shred everything down and dawdle back up (within an allotted time of course) on your single ringed uber-sled and day-glow baggies & special lid πŸ˜†

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    Depends where and how you ride surely. My long Chilterns training loop is 60m with 20% roads and the rest non tech tracks. Only 1100m climbing but it’s either looong or steeep and occasionaly both. I’m quite fit and quite light and still need 24×36 up the steep bits and not far off on the long ones.

    A mech clatters a bit on the downs and towards the end of a full on winter ride can be a bit sticky getting the big ring (yes I ride a triple) but it’s still a great solution.

    z1ppy
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    Steve_b77, Ahhh… hang on, let me prostrate myself before the altar that is STW’s Enduro Gnarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gods, for I am not worthy πŸ˜€

    PS: I do have a special lid if that helps any.

    steve_b77
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    z1ppy – Member
    Steve_b77, Ahhh… hang on, let me prostrate myself before the altar that is STW’s Enduro Gnarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gods
    PS: I do have a special lid if that helps any.

    Woaaaah, you’re half way there, woaaaah livin’ the Enduro Life.
    Take you’re bike and remove half the gears
    Woaaaah livin’ the Enduro Life.

    On a serious note, I agree with adsh up there, proper climbing on long days needs gears if you want to ride.

    Last weekend in the Clwyds we got through 1500m in 44km and it was slippy, tough heath grass or mud for the majority of it. No chance with just one ring, so why compromise?

    I’m not massively fast, but I’m alright

    Premier Icon njee20
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    And we go in circles…

    No chance with just one ring, so why compromise?

    Because some folk may be able to manage? Why is it a compromise?

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