New Cotic Flare?

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  • Premier Icon lawman91
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    Any news on the new Flare? Had a few rides on my new LS Soul and it has got me wondering how the geometry would feel on a full susser. Love my T130 but I’m certainly intrigued by whatever the new Flare turns out to be, hopefully they’ll steepen up the seat angle like they have on the new Rocket Max, from the initial rides it’s the only slight grumble I have with the Soul, it’s amazing as it is but do wonder if it would be even better with a steeper ST angle, given I’ve pushed the saddle pretty much as far forward as I can already to help steepen the effective angle a touch. That new metal on metal colour for the RocketMax would be welcome too!

    Premier Icon rossburton
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    I was told August, but now its being suggested that there might be a new Flare on the end of november/december demo rides.

    Blackflag
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    The seat tube angle is the only real criticism that keeps coming up so I imagine / hope that will be changed fairly soon.

    Premier Icon Kamakazie
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    I think the new RocketMax is at least a couple of degrees steeper so I imagine the new Flare will be the same.

    Premier Icon guandax
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    Is the new Flare likely to be capable of handling 150mm forks?

    Premier Icon facian
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    I was told 140 max when I asked a couple of questions recently (was buying components for my BFe with a view to put them on a Flare at some point when it’s released).

    amedias
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    Is the new Flare likely to be capable of handling 150mm forks?

    Wouldn’t you be better off with a Rocket if that’s a requirement?

    Premier Icon fathomer
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    amedias

    Wouldn’t you be better off with a Rocket if that’s a requirement?

    I’d guess not as not everybody wants a 170/160mm bike. A 150/120mm bike is plenty and more efficient. I was also told that 140mm would probably be max.

    As for the original question, I was told they were hoping to have it ready before Christmas. They’ve had a bit of a delay due to the unforeseen circumstances.

    st
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    I had a reply to an email last week saying that final tweaks were being made over the next few weeks and that they were aiming to have intial frames available before Christmas.

    amedias
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    A 150/120mm bike is plenty and more efficient

    So is 140/120, hence the cutoff I suppose, once you’re starting to look at 150mm forks with a view to *using* that travel I think you’re really into the realms of wanting/needing the burlier bike. Otherwise it’s just trying to slacken out the lighter bike by putting long forks on it.

    I totally get why you might want a 150/120mm setup (my BTR is setup that way) but what I’m getting at is that the use case for that kind of combo is probably verging on overstepping the intended use for a Flare and into Rocket territory.

    Mind you, there is a subsidiary benefit in running a longer fork on the shorter bike, by raising the BB a few millimetres.  As far as I can tell, all of the longshot/Max offerings are a bit on the low side for using on big mountains that have rocks on them.  I get far too many pedal strikes for comfort on my Solaris Max on Highland trails; it’s fine in the steep woods and on regular trails or trail centres but once you get out into the mountains on bouldery, washed out natural trails even the 165mm cranks fitted are a pain.  I know that this low slung geo is what the market wants (or thinks it wants) but like 1x drivetrain, it does introduce an extra compromise into the equation for some of us.

    I’d be happier to see the bikes raised up a bit and I know I’m swimming against the flow…

    Premier Icon guandax
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    Wouldn’t you be better off with a Rocket if that’s a requirement?

    My idea is to use the kit off a Spectral which has 150 Yaris.  Not convinced I need the travel of the Rocket as per amedias’ thoughts and less weight would be good too.  I can just get a shorter air shaft – which would give me the option to go Debonair, which has been great on my other bike’s Pikes.

    Premier Icon lawman91
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    Getting closer to Christmas, anyone heard any more news on this?

    Premier Icon tomd1984
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    I gave up waiting and bought something else instead 🙁

    bootsy
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    Same as ST really. Had an email from Paul: ‘We just have a few more details to iron out on the Flare and it should be ready in a few weeks.’

    gerti
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    Yeah, they seem to be taking their time alright, been waiting since September 2017 to buy a Flare! But hey ho, since I did without a FS last spring/summer I’m not too fussed, as long as they have it out before next Spring/Summer otherwise it’ll probably be a Transition Scout for me.

    chrismac
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    Whilst they may well max the flare at 140 forks officially no one is going to stop you putting 150’s in it. In reality I would suspect you would be unlucky if it caused any harm to the bike as I suspect 99% of us, me included, wouldnt put enough force through the fork and into the frame whatever fork was in it to get close to the design limits.

    core
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    Especially if you consider the different axle to crown measurements between brands of forks of the same travel, and how much sag people choose to run.

    Premier Icon chakaping
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    I get far too many pedal strikes for comfort on my Solaris Max on Highland trails

    I realise you posted this a month ago, but just wondering are you running 29in or B-plus?
    And is it the current frame?

    Premier Icon guandax
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    Still no news :S

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