New anti virus programme needed.
Norton and Symantec both seem to really slow down your machine, so I use and am happy with Microsoft Security Essentials esp. as it’s free.
I do, however, find it weird that due to all the security holes in Microsoft operating systems etc that I then trust them to provide a security application, but hey ho, seems to work.Posted 7 years ago
The answer to this question is still Microsoft Security Essentials.
I do, however, find it weird that due to all the security holes in Microsoft operating systems etc that I then trust them to provide a security application
MSE is the bastard lovechild of Reliable Antivirus and the well-regarded Giant AntiSpyware, so it’s got a reasonable (non-Microsoft) pedigree.Posted 7 years agobusydogMember
I have had Norton 360 on 3 computers for the past year and no issues at all. Can’t tell any slowdown on any of the 3 computers. One extra feature is that it provides a back-up service. Once you have it set to auto update, etc., it just runs without issue and isn’t intrusive. So far it has caught everything the bad guys have thrown at it.Posted 7 years ago
Also use Malwarebytes and Spysweeper along with it.
Duh – firewalls are not just for hacking – what about firewalls for malware outbound access – that’s where I am comming from – and you cannot tell me that all AV’s protect you agains 100% of malicious software?
No one claimed they did, hence the advice on Malware bytes and other none AV software even though the OP only asked about AV.Posted 7 years ago
Drac you can have a hardware firewall and a software firewall?
Software firewalls help provide protection against trojan programs or e-mail worms – the best thing is to have both surely? Unless you close all your ports then your hardware firewall is open to attack – via common ports i.e. SMTP, POP, 80, 8080 etc – I am still not talking about direct hacking attempts which are much rarer on ones home comp than downloaded trojans ?
Maybe you should read some articles on software vs hardware firewalls? We are of course talking about home networrks here not corporate LAN systems?Posted 7 years ago
what about firewalls for malware outbound access – that’s where I am comming from – and you cannot tell me that all AV’s protect you agains 100% of malicious software?
My point was, by that point you’ve already got an infection, better to concentrate on stopping that in the first place.
Typically, personal firewalls allow unrestricted outbound access by default anyway (as it’s assumed that your originating traffic is ‘safe’). So they’re arguably of little value there unless you manually set them up properly, which is a whole other topic of discussion.Posted 7 years ago
Might have to give MSE a go, you certainly seem to like it! Still, not had a virus yet with AVG, and I don’t notice it running, if it ain’t broke…
To be fair, AVG isn’t bad exactly. It’s a reasonable product, but it’s been getting progressively worse since about version 7. I used to swear by it, but not any more.Posted 7 years ago
I know what they do Foxy.
Imagine you have 2 rooms separated by a one door, you want something from the other room so you open the door to get it. An cat bolts through the door into the other room as the door is open.
So you you make a passage, let’s call it a firewall, so you can have 2 doors but you can’t get in the other room unless you have both doors open so the cat still gets in, making it utterly pointless have 2 doors.
There you go that’s why.
Oooh we’re doing links now.Posted 7 years ago
Typically, personal firewalls allow unrestricted outbound access by default anyway
Depends – if you install the software firewall on a “clean pc” it will as you say analyse what is already allowed through via windows firewall – if you set it up correctly is will then ask you when new programs want system/network access – If you decide to have it in a lower control mode then thats up to you?
Hey cummon – We are both right – you should have a software and hardware firewall surely – FWIW?Posted 7 years ago
Maybe you should read some articles on software vs hardware firewalls?
I’d respectfully suggest that an article about software firewalls and broadband that was written in 2003 might not be at the bleeding edge these days.
I can see where you’re coming from in that there’s “no harm” in additional protection. One firewall good, two better, right? However, what you’ve got to weigh up is whether the risk mitigation outweighs the admin and performance overheads.
For a software firewall to be effective, it has to do one of two things. It either has to be configured securely, a difficult task for networking experts let alone end users, or it has to prompt “do you want to allow this program to access the Internet” continually, which gets right on your cods in short order (as half the time it will be something like asdf32.dll making the request, and you start clicking ‘yes’ automatically out of frustration). Once you get into this mindset, you’ve just rendered the entire thing useless and all it’s giving you is an overconfident false sense of security.
So yes, I can see your argument. However, your time would be better spent following safe computing practices and making sure your computer is up to date (Windows Update, Java and Adobe particularly).
For example, the article linked says, “Consider this scenario: What would happen if you received an e-mail message or visited a website that contained a concealed program?”
Well, if you received such an email then you wouldn’t open it, and if you did then you certainly wouldn’t run the attachment, because you know better than to do that. If you visit a poisoned website, the security updates and patches would neuter the threat (unless you’re very unlucky with a zero-day exploit).
So, yeah. Are you doing any harm by running a software firewall? No. Is it essential to install one? I’d say not. Bear in mind that every version of Windows in the last ten years has had a firewall built in anyway, I’m struggling to see a compelling reason to install a third party product. Typically they tend to be chatty (because you can “see it working” then) and cause more problems than they solve (especially if you work from home and have to use a corporate VPN client).
EDIT – I forgot the salient point of the entire argument here, which is that you are already behind a hardware firewall.Posted 7 years ago
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