My dear old things, it's STW TMS!

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  • My dear old things, it's STW TMS!
  • Premier Icon jimdubleyou
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    Uh oh… Fearing this could be over by lunch.

    Saw a comment on cricinfo yesterday –

    England will see if Roy can knock this total off himself by tea time. If he gets out they’ll just bat for a draw

    🙂

    dannyh
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    I’m not so sure reverse swing is as simple as that, but you do have the bit about looking after the ball correct.

    Seam angle and wrist position play a big part as does the pace you can bowl it. I only worked out how to do it in the later part of my career and sadly to late to exploit.

    Honestly, I never had to angle the seam to do it (and in both directions although it usually ‘went’ a bit more as an inswinger to a leftie (I was a left armer)). We played with Dukes balls and so long as the ball kept its shape and you could get a ‘heavy shine’ back on one side on a hot dry day with dry ground conditions, it would ‘go’.

    I only worked it out in 2006 and it was an accident. I had a rare very good day with the new ball ending the league game we were playing early as a result (a good thing as we had a cup final on the Sunday). We went back to our ground (we were away that day) and some of our second teamers were having a net. As I hadn’t exerted myself much in our game I picked up an old ball, shined it a lot and it just happened.

    After that it was a matter of recognising when conditions in a game were advantageous and then letting the rest of the fielders know not to muck around with the ball. I also used to carry an old ball with me to winter nets so that for the second half of the session I could practice it. It was way easier for me to control than conventional swing.

    Tom B
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    Not looking good approaching lunch.

    Talk to me about Joe Denly…. Averages 35 in FC cricket, 25 in Tests…. Surely there are better options?

    Some quality sledging against Stokes here too 😂

    Looking even worse after lunch.

    Stick a fork in ’em. They’re done.

    Premier Icon ransos
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    So, what’s the team for the second test? Anderson is obviously out, I would assume Moeen too, and the persistence with Denly baffles me, but then so does picking an unfit fast bowler and an all-rounder completely out of form. We could bring in Archer, Leach and Foakes (Bairstow to play as specialist batsman).

    Premier Icon convert
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    Oh dear. it does make the Aussie 2nd innings look very impressive. And the English bowling selection look a bit silly. Any word on why Woakes bowled so few overs yesterday?

    (Bairstow to play as specialist batsman).

    Would his recent red ball form in any way justify that?

    Premier Icon ransos
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    Would his recent red ball form in any way justify that?

    Not really but I can’t think of an obvious replacement.

    Looks like the whitewash is on this year then.

    Houns
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    Well I packed my bag this morning with supplies with the plan to leave work at 2pm and have a nice afternoon at Edgbaston. That plan went out of the window quite quickly

    Oh, Broad has gone. Don’t bring Jimmy on

    Premier Icon ransos
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    What is the point of Anderson batting?

    Premier Icon jimdubleyou
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    What is the point of Anderson batting?

    Maybe get the deficit under 250?

    Otherwise, none.

    Someone needs to tell them that they don’t have to stop at 50 overs.

    Houns
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    Why is it so difficult? Each batsman just needed an average of 36 runs and bat for 9 overs

    Premier Icon slackalice
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    That wasn’t even a contest. I’m going to use the word ‘pathetic’ again. And probably ‘capitulate’, with an ‘inept’ thrown in for shits n giggles.

    I dislike smug Australians too. Particularly if their surnames are Warner and Lyon.

    Premier Icon lunge
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    I think the bowling is OK, they really missed Jimmy but with him they’d have been fine. Even if he’s out for the next test, the seamers are fine.
    Moeen is a conversation. His batting is poor at the moment, there must be better options, though I don’t know who they are.
    Batting wise, we need an opener and arguably have since Strauss retired. I’m not sure Burns is the answer, in fact I’m pretty sure he’s not, but he gets a stay of execution. Roy should be nowhere near the test team.
    Bairstow needs to just bat and give the gloves to either Butler or bring back in Foakes. His footwork when keeping is terrible, and I think all day behind the stumps is affecting his batting. In fact, sod it, can we use Sarah Taylor?

    Premier Icon ransos
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    Roy should be nowhere near the test team.

    I don’t agree, but he’s not an opener. He should bat at 4 instead of Denly, but I have no answer to who should open instead.

    Found the cricmetric site and England’s much vaunted middle order has actually been pretty poor since 2016. Now it doesn’t help if your first three keep getting out cheaply but you could argue that they could all be replaced. Foakes for Bairstow, Curran for Stokes or Buttler, Leach for Moeen. Move Woakes up. But England won’t make drastic changes.

    mefty
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    I knew there was a reason Test matches shouldn’t start on Wednesdays – very grumpy.

    Klunk
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    looks like it will starting on thursday after all 😉

    Klunk
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    well that’s put the mockers on it!

    Morning everybodeeeeeeee.

    Four down by lunch, then?

    Klunk
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    good grief !

    Flashy – after Roy’s departure…..

    Klunk
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    Roy is not a test match opener

    Burns ain’t doing much better !

    Premier Icon ransos
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    Roy is not a test match opener

    True – he looks like a number 4 to me. So who opens?

    Klunk
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    recall Cook

    12 Essex 10 17 2 701 125 46.73 47.40 1 5 14

    Premier Icon ransos
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    ^short of a massive injury crisis, I don’t see him being interested.

    Klunk
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    make him an offer he can’t refuse.

    recall Cook

    Won’t be long before Geoffrey gets a call, at this rate.

    Klunk
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    25 Test matches without a first innings century for Root. Captain is struggling

    tjagain
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    MY Mrs ( who knows far more about cricket than I do) keeps on saying ” Whatever the question is Denly is not the answer”

    She also thinks the sun shines out of Roots backside

    Premier Icon lister
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    Any suggestions for a free stream of the match?

    dannyh
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    MY Mrs ( who knows far more about cricket than I do) keeps on saying ” Whatever the question is Denly is not the answer”

    She also thinks the sun shines out of Roots backside

    Your Mrs speaks sense.

    Root has easily enough credit in the bank as a captain and a batsman to be safe well past the end of this series.

    She is also right on the Denly point – however, even though he is not the answer to the question “who is a better bet than Denly?”, I don’t know that there is an answer to that one.

    dannyh
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    Roy is not a test match opener

    Nope. The trouble with Roy is that if he nicks it, it is going to carry to slip. Cook and Root both nick a lot short of slip as they basically let go of the bat if they realise the ball isn’t quite there for the shot.

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