My 11yo daughters are size 14 and my son is 20 stone – what am I doing wrong?

IMO, the rise in obesity is just down to stupid people being too lazy to cook properly and encourage their kids to take a bit more exercise than sending texts and playing on the xbox (probably in case the peedos get them if they open the front door)

In a nutshell. Seems that most people don’t want to hear it though!

If they told the parents in front of the girl that she might die of diabetes then I would suggest they were right to be annoyed. Right message, shitty delivery.

According to the paper, according to the parents. So, third hand info at best. Not something you can draw any conclusions from. Even so, better that than the dr just ignore it.

Yes, I’m offended by proxy.

Humm.. yes, I opened with a joke about people not being able to see something that seems obvious to outsiders. A pretty common comedic device.

Not sure why you’d read that as me saying “fat people are stupid” or even “that mother is stupid”.

She is a blind perhaps, but it’s easy to miss the bigger picture when you’re in the middle of it.

Moreover, calling the overweight stupid would be… errr… “stupid” given that I am overweight myself.

re apples vs chips: i’m not sure tubsters should be substituting lipids with fructose. I remember hearing from someone far more qualified than me that the 2 main metabolic pathways for fructose were replenishing liver glycogen (which fatties who don’t exercise much may not have huge need for), or LDL (bad) cholesterol. Any docs care to fill in the gaping holes in my ‘understanding’ cos the wiki on fructose went straight over my head?

I think the story highlights some of the problems
the parents realise she has weight problem – they acknowledge it in the article. However when someone mentions it to them [ i doubt a dr said YOU WILL DIE – to a child] they go all morally outraged and are offended. I think there is some sort of view that being overweight is not the result of the person eating to much and that to suggest otherwise is rude. This is just to ignore the actual science[ in almost all cases though their are some medical causes as well].

Eat less exercise more

it is not a complicated message though many dont want to hear it.

I went to the doctors today, most of the staff there were (at least) overweight and most of the doctors at that surgery are too. Fine example to be setting and I imagine it makes it very hard to Comment on a patients weight non?

It’s a bit like the old ‘as long as you drink less than your doctor’ thing…

re apples vs chips: i’m not sure tubsters should be substituting lipids with fructose.

IME if you’re trying to lose bodyfat you should be staying away from both. As I understand it that is because both foods are insulogenic which will promote the storing, rather than the burning, of dietary fat.

Maybe we could now put your incredible intellect to resolving conflict in the middle east?

Maybe, and when I’m done there I can set about explaining the difference between a teen and a pre-teen to those who can’t grasp that either.

Eat less exercise more

Eat better, exercise a bit.

Eat better, exercise a bit.

+1 It’s not brain surgery 😆

Hair splitter

Better would be less[calories] surely if you are overweight?

Currently working in “2 beemer country” (Horsham) and haven’t seen as many obese people by a long shot….

There is definitely and obvious connection between poverty and obesity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then there is Aberdeen 😯

As I understand it that is because both foods are insulogenic which will promote the storing, rather than the burning, of dietary fat.

While I’m sure that may be biologically true, I’ve personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.

Currently working in “2 beemer country” (Horsham) and haven’t seen as many obese people by a long shot….

That’ll be the coke habits 😉

Eat less exercise more

it is not a complicated message

Its incredibly simple and speaking as someone who at various points has had to make a concious effort to increase my calorie intake to maintina weight its quite easy to achieve.
Those who overeat and refuse to take responsibility for their actions should be criticised however there are more forces at work on young minds and weight gain happens quite slowly and the cycles are difficult to break (speaking as a parent)
As someone said earlier our perceptions of what is a healthly weight or body size is skewed and reinfoced by the media.

Hhmmmm.

No mention yet of the evil Corporations who advise to decieve and indecisive Gov Depts, lobbied to take it easy with the legislation….

I sometimes sympathize with the lardies when I consider what they’re going through. You have food and drink companies telling them that x, y, z are healthy and good, whispering in one ear.

You’ve got Gov looking to a medical community, for what the advise to the public should be. However, that commuity do not appear to be able to agree on what the message on nutrition should be. .

And in the confusion, people get fat and die young, the Corporations selling food and medical, getting rich.

Its chaos out there. I mean, look at this place. Even we don’t agree on what is a healthy diet and what is not.

I’ve personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.

you need to try the C’s diet
Cider and Crumble 😉

I’ve personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.

you need to try the C’s diet
Cider and Crumble 😉

While I’m sure that may be biologically true, I’ve personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.

If you read what I posted, it said “If you are trying to lose bodyfat“. Obviously you are not going to get fat from eating apples. 🙄 It is advice for existing fatties only 😆

Do people need legislation to tell them to stop eating crap?

I went to the doctors today, most of the staff there were (at least) overweight and most of the doctors at that surgery are too. Fine example to be setting and I imagine it makes it very hard to Comment on a patients weight non?

Not really. The Dr isn’t sending people to jail or calling them terrible human beings for being overweight.

He says “you are overweight”. Which is a fact based on height/weight calculations. (BMI isn’t great because of rugby players/body builders etc, but most people aren’t either of these!)
He says “being overweight can be bad for your health” which is a fact based on decades of medical research.
He can then suggest changes to lifestyle that reduce the patient’s health problems, or potential for problems.

If he’s shouting “you’re scum, fatty!” at them, then fair enough. But if it’s kept factual and professional I don’t see how anyone can complain.

Hair splitter

It’s not splitting hairs to suggest better rather than less. There’s a big ol’ difference.

As I understand it that is because both foods are insulogenic which will promote the storing, rather than the burning, of dietary fat.

Apples are a great source of pectin which is a soluble fibre. This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.

Less means less claories which would be better
it a mute point but better would have been a less bad choice 😉
there is very little in it IMHO

there is very little in it IMHO

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Meanwhile, someone on my facebook feed has just posted:

Pasty, chips, coke and cake at nans! Aahhhh don’t get better than this! When u not feeling well u can always depend on a nan to look after you lol 🙂 xx

She’s not overweight. Nor is her husband. Nor are her three kids. They don’t appear to do much exercise either. 😕

Apples are a great source of pectin which is a soluble fibre. This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.

Fair enough. An avacado would be better though 😀

She’s not overweight. Nor is her husband. Nor are her three kids. They don’t appear to do much exercise either.

Is she thick though? 😉

You’ve got Gov looking to a medical community, for what the advise to the public should be. However, that commuity do not appear to be able to agree on what the message on nutrition should be. .

Worse than that, you’ve got the government looking to the food producers for their advice on how to promote healthy eating (ie. how to battle against the advertising and marketing of, oh hang on, the very same food producers), and ignoring the medical / research side of things. Now if that isn’t a sick joke, I don’t know what is.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-advisers-spend-millions-promoting-fast-food-2145789.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01k0fs0

This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.

Yes, but fructose promotes lipogensis.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2010 Nov Dekker MJ, Su Q, Baker C, Rutledge AC, Adeli K.

Is she thick though?

She’s friends with me, so possibly, yes.

Eat better, exercise a bit.
Best post so far. (seriously)

Do we need to watch the corporations ?. Does anyone remember that look on her face during this clip ?..
Start at 3:43, cos I’m crap at posting vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-Xztw7tOY

LMAO at 4:08, hesitation at trying to deny…

Presumably she also doesn’t eat like that on a daily basis, which is why she thought it worthy of a FB post ie. naughty but nice and only occasionally!

This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.

Yes, but fructose promotes lipogensis.

Oh dear god……….not again pleeeeeease 🙄

but a high fructose diet may promotes lipogensis.

Eating your 5 a day is a long way from a high fructose diet.

Or would you promote not breathing as too much oxygen will kill you?

but fructose promotes lipogensis.

See.. I don’t think stuff like this is helpful.

While it may be true, it just adds to the confusion about what is “good” or “bad” for you.

You don’t get morbidly obese by having sub-optimal lipogenesis.

You get there by eating crap and lots of it.

Swapping chips for apples might not be the absolute scientifically best possible weight-for-weight, penny-for-penny swap – but I think most folk would agree it was a big step in the right direction.

Swapping chips for apples might not be the absolute scientifically best possible weight-for-weight, penny-for-penny swap – but I think most folk would agree it was a step in the right direction.

I hope they’re organic apples, free from those nasty pesticides, etc.
😆

Solo no one is forced to drink soft drink – i never do.
Again it is people looking for an excuse – it is someone else’s fault they are like this- they drinks makers for example.

Now food manufacturers sure dont help but plenty of folk manage to live in the same world and not get fat so they are not the cause though they may exacerbate the problem.

Hmm… what if I swap local organic free-range FairTrade chips for intensively farmed genetically-modified apples… 😀

oops, deleted – read the post properly next time