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  • Moving away from post election UK
  • tacopowell
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    Mrstaco and I have discussed moving away before,
    Canada,
    New Zealand,
    Germany,
    Any Scandinavian country,
    Australia.
    Probably in that order (although Oz would be my first choice, Mrstaco struggles with Spiders!).

    Although I’ve recently retrained as a carpenter, Mrstaco is still working in healthcare with offenders, Mental Health etc,
    Which anyone who works in health care or the public sector knows has had a severe battering over the past five years,
    Regardless as to who shares power in the coming months, it’s something that looks only to get worse.

    Question is, Have any of you folk thought of moving elsewhere to gain a better life, where your selfless job is not taken for granted?
    If so, where?

    tomd
    Free Member

    Regardless as to who shares power in the coming months, it’s something that looks only to get worse.

    Have you been reading too much Daily Mail?

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    where your selfless job is not taken for granted?

    is it selfless if you require gratitude and recognition to continue?

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    mikewsmith
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    First thing is how old are you? Some countries have age limits on visa’s getting both people a visa can be harder work. Canada/NZ/Oz will have specific work related entry, here in Oz you need to be on the skills list.
    https://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/skilled-occupations-lists/skilled-occupations-lists.aspx

    Question is, Have any of you folk thought of moving elsewhere to gain a better life, where your selfless job is not taken for granted?
    If so, where?

    Good luck, let us know when you find it. You need to find the things around you that make you happy despite work, the entire package isn’t region specific.

    I see less spiders here in Oz than I did in the UK, couple of them are just a bit bigger.

    tacopowell
    Free Member

    Have you been reading too much Daily Mail?

    Not at all, We both work on front line services and know first hand how budgets are effecting our roles and the people we support.

    is it selfless if you require gratitude and recognition to continue?

    You got me there! I need a fresh red carpet rolled out each day.
    I guess I mean, Can we rely on our government to protect the those roles in question?

    First thing is how old are you?

    31 and 30,
    I’m pretty certain we’re a couple years older than most places would like.

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    Nope I think it’s 40 for Oz, you are just too old for Oz working holiday but you should be fine. We currently have a more right wing government here than you have.

    tacopowell
    Free Member

    We currently have a more right wing government here than you have.

    Swings and roundabouts,
    Canada also has a fairly right wing government but it also has some of the most progressive addiction projects.

    NZCol
    Full Member

    I lived in NZ for almost 15 years, feel free to email me but fwiw small population, squeeze on services, looks nice on holiday programmes but might not meet what you want.

    TheBrick
    Free Member

    I work a lot in Canada (Alberta) and although it nice here in many respects on the public services front they are having the same issues and cut backs. At least as much as the uk with the massive oil price dump. There were elections yesterday and there is the same media scrum. In general Alberta is more small government than the UK gov IMO. It is a cool place but no land of milk and honey. They have the same issues. Economy wise it all hang on the loil industry, just like in the uk is all hangs on the finance industry.

    Dai
    Free Member

    The current lady Dai and I fly out to Oz at the beginning of August. Hope it will be for us but we decided there was only one way we were going to find out.

    Visa and skills assessment has been long winded and expensive but now there’s no going back 😯

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    Where you heading to Dai?

    soobalias
    Free Member

    you cant outrun your problems.

    how is the carpenter bit going, got enough experience/portfolio to be confident of getting work? is your other hald intent on sticking with mental health/offenders?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    OP I moved to Singapore after financial crises, I work in fiance so it was an obvious choice. I may well move again after this election, work only biased choice would be New York. Switzerland would be the holy grail of work/life balance for me.

    30/31 is a great age to move. I’m 52 and hoping too many doors aren’t closed !

    @Dai good luck and keep in touch, we love an update ! My parents emigrated there with me in tow (aged 3) as £10 poms.

    tacopowell
    Free Member

    Never had the thoughts of running away from problems,
    Simply want to look into places that can potentially offer a better way for what suits us,
    The UK is no doubt an extremely good place to live but that doesn’t mean to say we can’t find better?!

    As far as being a carpenter? Soon to be self employed, working contracts with letting agents,
    Hanging doors, fixing kitchens etc.
    Its not building roofs or extensions but it’s certainly experience.

    I’ve no doubt this will be my biggest draw back in any application,
    Visa versa mrstaco, Loads of experience but no relevant qualifications bar a Law degree.

    I’m really convinced that if we do decide to make a move it won’t be for another year or two before we even apply.

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Skills list for canada, and recent enquiries showed that sponsored work offers are very rare.
    I’d be surprised if a carpenter and mental health worker would qualify.
    Europe is the best bet due to free movement, but then there’s the language barrier.

    koldun
    Free Member

    I think its easier to get into NZ before your 32 and i would think that might be a good option for you.

    I left the UK for Germany (ca. 2008), which i did enjoy but a little over a year ago i moved on to Spain. It was not the best move financially but the the riding is good the beach is near and i’m getting by quite well 😉

    howsyourdad1
    Free Member

    Sweden here. My advice would be to try it. You can always move back. Sure it’s hassle moving stuff, registering etc but it’s really not that bad , and it’s a wonderful adventure whichever country you choose.

    Edit: I met an English carpenter here. He’s called Keith 😆 So it can be done!

    Tom_W1987
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    OP I moved to Singapore after financial crises, I work in fiance so it was an obvious choice. I may well move again after this election, work only biased choice would be New York. Switzerland would be the holy grail of work/life balance for me.

    Jamby, mind if I badger you with questions about working in the Finance industry sometime?

    binners
    Full Member

    I believe Syria has become quite a popular place to emigrate too from the UK

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Jamby, mind if I badger you with questions about working in the Finance industry sometime?

    hooli
    Full Member

    Can I ask what it is about the UK that you don’t like?

    sweaman2
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    As per TheBrick. Canada is a big place and not without it’s issues. Alberta is heavily dependent on oil and gas so the current price “collapse” has reminded everyone what it’s like when the good times aren’t rolling. They’ve just elected the first moderately socialist government in 40 years so that might make things interesting.

    It’s a big upheaval to move and the grass isn’t always greener. I’m happy we moved (from London in 2009) but I wouldn’t move just because you don’t like the politics.

    sadexpunk
    Full Member

    Can I ask what it is about the UK that you don’t like?

    itd be the weather for us, me and mrs expunk love that sunsheeeyine.

    watch all the home in the sun programmes dreaming of doing the same, but realistic to understand it probably wont happen :-/
    at 50 and 40 we’ve (certainly me anyway) left it too late for careers elsewhere, and too early for retirement. if i left my job id never get back into it, so more of a gamble than it is for others maybe.

    ho hum.

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    @Tom absolutely not, email in profile along with my name

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    I wouldn’t move just because you don’t like the politics.

    It’s not just politics though is it ? It’s changes to the economy, opportunity etc. Since the socialists got in in France people have been flooding out of the country as the economy is in a nosedive and jobs are very hard to find.

    phinbob
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    Here’s a tip from an expat who has few expat friends and has seen a few come and go.

    You need to go for the adventure and the interest, to see it as a chance to try somewhere different. The streets aren’t paved in gold anywhere, and there will be occasional tough times adjusting wherever you go

    Expectations of things being hugely better are better replaced with an expectation of things to be different. Embrace the differences.

    BigButSlimmerBloke
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    It’s not just politics though is it ? It’s changes to the economy,

    Thing is, if it’s your industry that’s ****ing the economy and your reaction to having ****ed the economy is to bail out, you’re never really going to settle are you?

    TheBrick
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    Expectations of things being hugely better are better replaced with an expectation of things to be different. Embrace the differences.

    Excellent post.

    El-bent
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    Excellent post.

    +1.

    It’s not just politics though is it ? It’s changes to the economy, opportunity etc. Since the socialists got in in France people have been flooding out of the country as the economy is in a nosedive and jobs are very hard to find.

    That’s funny Jamb, all reports are saying their economy is growing. They have all that unemployment, yet are Europe’s second biggest economy ahead of the UK.

    oldboy
    Free Member

    We currently have a more right wing government here than you have.

    Perfect! 🙂

    jambalaya
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    El-bent I think today’s figures how their economy is now smaller than UK but we can call it a draw if you like. Their economy is starting to grow not least as Hollande abandoned his spending policies and started to embrace austerity. Unemployment is a massive issue there and the higher earners/wealthy have left in droves depressing tax revenues significantly.

    Thing is, if it’s your industry that’s ****ing the economy and your reaction to having ****ed the economy is to bail out, you’re never really going to settle are you?

    So the banks did it all on their own, nothing to do with individuals shamelessly lying on their loan applications and borrowing money they knew they couldn’t repay, or countries doing the same, or governments ignoring huge risks in the banking sector ? The whole sector wasn’t responsible, the whole sector didn’t need rescuing (Lloyds, Barclays, HSBC all very strong). The fact is financial services have paid the bills for decades in the UK, easing of credit has led to business expansion and all of us being to buy things we wouldn’t have been able to before under more restrictive financial environment. My parents had to save for 5 years with a building society in order to qualify for a mortgage, shall we go back to that ? It would prevent a sub-prime type crises for sure.

    chewkw
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    If I were to move again this will be my preference:

    1. Norway – I like the space.
    2. Denmark – concentrated population so good for business? Watch out for president Neil Kinnock there ruling by proxy.
    3. Sweden – space but not sure about business.
    4. Finland or Iceland – former close to Russia while latter for space.
    5. Canada – space and concentrated population but close to Merica.
    6. Ozland – good but salty and Jaws might eat you whole.
    7. KiwiLand – too far and Islanders may not like you.

    El-bent
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    El-bent I think today’s figures how their economy is now smaller than UK but we can call it a draw if you like.

    Nah, Our economy may be possibly be a little larger because we have had stuff like drugs and Prostitution added to the GDP figures, I’m sure that when the French, who have the same penchant for Drugs and hookers as us, do the same, they will be ahead.

    All that unemployment, yet matching/ahead of a country with low employment figures. I wonder what we are doing wrong… 🙄

    So the banks did it all on their own, nothing to do with individuals shamelessly lying on their loan applications and borrowing money they knew they couldn’t repay,

    Erm, who lent them the money? Checks and balances and all that…before deregulation.

    easing of credit has led to business expansion and all of us being to buy things we wouldn’t have been able to before under more restrictive financial environment.

    I suppose this has been a good thing being a consumer lead economy even if it does rack up huge household debts.

    My parents had to save for 5 years with a building society in order to qualify for a mortgage,

    So did mine. It was the best way, but clearly it didn’t make enough money quickly enough for you city types.

    konabunny
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    “you cant outrun your problems.”

    sure you can, if they’re location-specific.

    Dai
    Free Member

    mikewsmith – Member
    Where you heading to Dai?

    Landing in Sydney and currently liking the look of the Central Coast/Lake Macquarie/Newcastle area, but realistically we’ll have to go wherever we can get work. Going on skilled migrant visa so not tied to job or location.

    matt_outandabout
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    My brother and his wife moved to Auckland nearly a decade ago.
    He is architect, she works in film industry.
    They love it – and won’t be returning. They like the place and people, they like the weather. He had had opportunities in architecture that he would have only got in London in uk. She got work on all sorts, from LOtR, Yogi Bear and Prince Caspian.
    Downside – it’s a hell of a long way to see family, still the same day to day issues to deal with, some of the NZ culture is ‘unique’ and the schools for their kids is an odd system to get into a good one…

    tacopowell
    Free Member

    Can I ask what it is about the UK that you don’t like?

    among many things

    jfletch
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    Nah, Our economy may be possibly be a little larger because we have had stuff like drugs and Prostitution added to the GDP figures, I’m sure that when the French, who have the same penchant for Drugs and hookers as us, do the same, they will be ahead.

    All that unemployment, yet matching/ahead of a country with low employment figures. I wonder what we are doing wrong…

    The UK and France are basically neck and neck, we have the same GDP, the same population and the same size of workforce.

    The difference is unemployment vs productivity.

    We have higher employment but each person in work produces less, a French worker produces more but there are less jobs to go round. Different approaches to the same problem. We could learn from each other, if we can increase our productivity to match the French while retaining our jobs then that would be good. If they can create more jobs without impacting productivity then again that would be good.

    The French do have an uncanny nack of working less hours though.

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