Munqe-chick – are you suggesting that my suggested precautions in the vicinity of police officers are excessive, or that they will not save me?

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And yes I am a police officer, currently working on a specialist unit having done a number of years ‘on the streets’. I’m university educated, I’ve never used excessive force on anyone and I consider myself to be fairly liberal. I’ve never had a complaint from the member of the public, an offender/suspect, a colleague or anyone else for that matter. I have however been assaulted on a number of occassions. Including an incident when I was kicked in the face by a wealthy white boy who was high on ketamine and boooze. I’ve had my jaw broken whilst trying to stop a group of yobs beating up a black guy whilst off duty. I’ve been threatened with a knife, broken bottle, pool cue, hammer yadda yadda yadda. I’ve also carried out CPR on gang members who have been stabbed or first on drunks involved in fights. I don’t care who or what you are I just deal with the situation in front of me in the best way I can. I joined the police because it’s interesting and I like to think I can do some good (plus the adrenalin kick you get on occassion). I try very hard not to get involved in these debates but sometimes it get’s the better of me. People should take a step back before talking about things they know very little about. Assuming that police officers go around beating people up because they feel like it is just plain stupid!

After this sort of stuff, why should I have any reason to have anything but suspicion and mistrust of the police. My first thoughts on reading that report were that I doubt if any charges are ever brought against the guy for assaulting a PO.

Read what I posted TM. I think you will find that things have moved on somewhat from where you are. (Incidentally are you still angry at the French for that unsavoury 1066 business, gvien the level of grudge holding you operate at?)
Frankly it sickens me the way people keep hopping up on their high horses, right up until the moment when they need help. Then when 5 coppers are trying to restrain a drunk guy and another is off work due to said drunk guy’s violence they start moaning about the Police never doing anything, wheres my taxes going etc etc. Get a grip.

If these cops have done wrong they’ll get well dealt with, if they haven’t they still might, in the meantime next time you’re being attacked by a drunk just hope the old bill aren’t being tactically slow getting there because they are so arsed off with drunks and the criticism they continuously get from the public when they deal with them. Personally, I’ve never seen a sober guy minding his own business be hastled by the Police let alone beaten up. (That includes the fella at G20 who was a raging alcoholic icidentally). Just work on the basis that if its kicking off being elsewhere generally is a good plan.

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Nonsense you have said exactly what I’ve been thinking and I’m in the same situation as you, agree completely. I often don’t bother posting anymore as the minute you try to explain you get slated/shot down in flames etc etc. I’ll keep doing the job to the best of my ability treating everyone the same and trying not to get disillusioned by general sweeping criticsms like some on here.

as normal you dont get to se all the video, ( unless its somewear eles ) so in effect , we only getting 1/2 a story, they are trying to arrest a drunk violent pinhead, they are not getting married.

I think the American style policing is far more interesting. i.e. zap first and talk later or simply point the .45 at the person face while talking. LOL! One wrong move … Poww! You are gone and it’s your fault for threatening the police. I like the way they pull out their 9mm/.45 the cowboy style … LOL! Now that’s what I call move and you buggered.

So I suggest local bobbies start zapping when the opportunity presents. Even amongst colleagues you can zap each other for fun. You are not going to die …

Been watching all those cops chasing on TV … I have to say the police have been far more lenient on many occasions on those drunken yobs and trouble makers. FFS! Could you get your act together by at least tazing them or pepper spraying them for good TV. I want to see them yobs rolling on the floor and shitting themselves. They get what the deserve after all it’s part of Saturday joy.

Tazer. You know you want it.

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I don’t mean to do Police men and women down you do a magnificent job under sometimes difficult situations. Just playing devils advocate.

What concerns me is people’s seeming lack of questioning of authority.

I suppose the MacPheareson (sp) report coining the term ‘institutionalised racism’ was just wild sweeping generalisation by someone with a grudge?

I suppose the MacPheareson (sp) report coining the term ‘institutionalised racism’ was just wild sweeping generalisation by someone with a grudge?

What like the Black Police Association?

What like the Black Police Association?

The Black Police Association isn’t racist, you dozy div.

There is no bar to membership based on colour

You’ve been spending to much time reading BNP literature – haven’t you ? 🙄

As it happens Jackson my brother wrote the original PCA report into the killing of Stephen Lawrence. That report actually was fairly unequivocal in its criticism of the Met, not for racism, but for incompetence. His view of it having been the invesitgating official was that they would have cocked it up regardless of the races involved. Accordingly not racist. The Macpherson report splits opinion very widely amongst those who do know the Lawrence case intricately. The killing was racist, the Met may well be, but that investigation was simply incompetent.

I also happen to know as a result that there are plenty of bad apples in the barrel, and also that it is increasingly difficult for them to get away with it nowadays, as the video clip at the top of this thread clearly demonstrates. That is not being unquestioning of authtority, its just applying the same rules to them that you and I would expect. innocent until proven otherwise. There is no evidence of wrongdoing per se in the video.

ernie_lynch – Member

What like the Black Police Association?

The Black Police Association isn’t racist, you dozy div.

There is no bar to membership based on colour

You’ve been spending to much time reading BNP literature – haven’t you ?

No Ernie I can make up my own mind – I resent anything that is / or can be construed as divisive. (especially by fcukwit nenderthals in the BNP) We are all brothers – there is no need for division or separation within society. As you may have guessed I come from a very divided society, and I dislike anything that can be seen as a bar to an inclusive society. Surely that’s what you want to?

Don’t know the full story (none of us ever will) but have you ever seen how agressive some **** can be when they’re full of booze and drugs, especially towards the police when they turn up? I’ve seen four cops trying to restrain a fat 50ish woman in Brighton and having a hard time of it. Not a violent person myself, but some people only understand one langauge when they’re wasted.

innocent until proven otherwise.

You’ve just restored my faith! 🙂 This is firmly what I believe in. We’ve had over the years, PACE, Macphearson report that have sought to improve due process to gain more robust convictions through the courts.

Recordings showing the police, arguably being heavy handed, undermines the progress we have made.(IMO)

I resent anything that is / or can be construed as divisive.

Well it’s not divisive is it ? ……. It’s ‘inclusive’ as membership is open to everyone

And it’s certainly not ‘racist’.

Despite as I know, the BNP states in their literature.

Unbelievably, the fascists f**kwits like to pretend that the 95% of the UK population which are white, are the victims of ‘anti-white racism’. The NBPA is one of the examples which the BNP gives to backup their ludicrous claims.

Apologies ernie you have me at an advantage – you know far more about the BNP than I would ever want to know 😉

That specimen Griffin lives only a few miles from here – it’s terrific I swap murdering paramilitaries for nieghbours like that! Life does indeed truly suck.

I know quite a bit about the NF/BNP/Fascists Slapper. I’ve got a very good mate who was for many many years, in the NF/BNP – his whole life revolved round fascist politics. He was also heavily involved in Blood and Honour – wrote music, lyrics, preformed, and recorded. He says it’s all behind him now (now reads the Guardian) but I have my suspicions on whether or not he voted BNP the other day. He knows it’s wrong, but then so does a reformed alcoholic. He still homophobic though, he somehow thinks that’s ok. He’s told me some very interesting stories, including about the amount of gays there were in the NF leadership.

This post has turned hilarious.

Please keep it coming.

I’ve got a very good mate who was for many many years

Can I be the first to ask the really obvious question?

So how do you get to knowingly stay mates with a racist **** for years then ernie?

100!

Ernie – I’m more than a tad concerned here with your unhealthy obsession with the BNP and some of its obviously quite highly motivated ex-members…

your unhealthy obsession with the BNP

I have a very healthy concern about fascism, Slapper.

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So how do you get to knowingly stay mates with a racist **** for years then ernie?

Whilst for obvious reasons I have many like-minded friends, I don’t choose my friends solely on the bases of their politics. And I can be friends with racists – and homophobes. And yes even with fascists. I despise the ideology, but not necessarily the people.

Difficult to understand ? Well I suspect that’s probably because you don’t understand how people with my perspective view politics. For me politics is a vehicle for social change, I don’t see it as some sort of game where you take sides and support a certain ‘team’.

In my experience NF/BNP members who I have had conversations with, have without exception, been working-class (I haven’t yet met a Nick Griffin type) And I have on previous occasions stated that the BNP/fascists ‘exploit genuine grievances’.

I have had the very good fortune to have been brought up in an environment which very strongly instilled into me the belief that all humans regardless of race, class, and origin, are born equal. And furthermore have certain unalienable rights as human beings throughout their lives – whether they be royalty or rough-sleepers. Others have been less fortunate than me.

Those influences have lead me to come to the conclusions which I have come to. Others who have experienced different influences to me very often to come to different conclusions. However, the premises are often correct even though the conclusions might not be. Those amongst the working-classes who are seduced by the simple solutions which fascism has to offer, have at least identified that problems exist however wrong their conclusion might be. An important step which should not be dismissed. Many don’t even get to that stage, or at least feel that they should simply tolerate whatever is foisted upon them.

The blame for the rise of fascism cannot be placed simply on those who are attracted to it’s simple and yet destructive influences. Society as a whole, and political failure in particular, are also indisputably to blame.

I could go on endlessly, but I won’t. Other than to say that this does not in any way reduce my complete intolerance to fascism and racism. But the enemies are fascism and racism not abandoned/misguided sections of the working-classes. Although in the finale analysis, giving them a good kick-in might be required 🙄

Holy mother Mary of god he’s a fenian I’m a prod!

Ernie mate – you get too hung up on this shit! Free your a$$ and your mind will follow….

Thanks for your concern Slapper, but I feel very comfortable with both my ar5e and my mind.

BTW, I’ve just read this back “And I can be friends with racists – and homophobes. And yes even with fascists.” lol makes it sound as if I got loads of fascist friends 😀

Erm……. not quite the case. Whilst like most people I have many who could be described as both racist and homophobic, I’ve only got one who was formerly involved in fascist politics. Although I did get on well with a BNP herbert on a site where I was working a couple of years back – the bugger used to leave photocopies of nazis stuff where I was working just to wind me up. I’ve had conversations with quite a few though.

ACAB

ACAB – All Cops Are Bastards?

explain yourself caller?

IME

MM another generic sweeping statement!

TJ

Wpould you rather they batoned him?

no. If you read my previous posts on the granny taser, I agreed she should have been zapped too.

IPCC verdict out today.