I briefly heard about this the other day on the radio and my first thought was that mr woppit would make a reappearance on STW 😆

*waves at woppit* 🙄

I like “Thought for the day” but then I am a more open minded non-religious person I guess.

I quite like both ‘thought for the day’ and it’s R2 equivalent, ‘pause for thought’. It does occur to me that there should be the occasional non religious ‘thought’ too though. It’s not like the religious have a monopoly on morality, ethics, or good stories.

“Thought for the day” is often very interesting, I do think it should host a wider range of beliefs though. In general religion seems to get more than adequate air time.
I would like to see more main stream Islam given air time rather than just wheeling out someone when terrorist incidents occur.

I don’t watch BBC at all.

I pay the licence fee for..?

Wish I had a choice instead of forced to pay for this $hit.

I subscribe to Sky/Virgin etc.

Absolutely fine by me! It is Christmas which and like it or loathe it, it’s a very significant part the British culture.

With it’s current huge emphasis on commercialism i am pleased that they are covering it.

Someone mentioned that the guy who runs the BBC is an aethiest…i’m really not sure what this has to do with anything?

Quite simple really, if you don’t like it, turn it off.

teamhurtmore – Member
Well done for listening to all of it. Must have been awful.

Gruelling.

Appropriate though, I suppose, for a man whose output in defense of his chosen vapid superstition, was amongst the thinnest of gruels…

Feeling the Christmas love yet woppit? Don’t forget Jesus does love you

Hugs xxx

It’s actually not about more religious programmes, it’s about adding into story lines for soaps and such

like ‘Green sacked for bashing the bishop’?

Odd choice to have religious programmes at this time of year. Shouldn’t it just be Lidl adverts?

Stigmatising people’s faith is wholly wrong.

For years I’ve seen regular religion-bashing and heavy pro-atheism from many members of singletrack. What these people don’t appreciate is the richness of life that faith gives a lot of people. It is entirely up to them if they believe in something, if they want to talk about it to other people, and providing tv programmes relating to faiths is appropriate and right.

Seeing a vocal minority stamping out displays of faith, such as wearing a cross at work or putting ornaments in a window makes me sad and a bit embarassed to be british! I wonder how many countries see these sorts of things happening on such a regular basis. If people move to an area away from their home they should learn to fit in or live with, not learn to change the locals.

Frankenstein – Member
I don’t watch BBC at all.

I pay the licence fee for..?

Wish I had a choice instead of forced to pay for this $hit.

I subscribe to Sky/Virgin etc.

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Choose not to pay the license fee then.

Odd choice to have religious programmes at this time of year. Shouldn’t it just be Lidl adverts?

As a Seventh Day Lidlist, I would always accept more Lidl adverts this time of year.

Praise Josef Schwarz.

Religious displays are about recognition, segregation and isolating communities from outside influences. I hate it when I see a yashmak or niqab proudly (?) displaying a woman’s oppression.
I was in a hotel health suite a couple of months ago when a group of overweight and long-haired blokes came in. I assumed they were rock fans up for a gig. Anyway, it gradually dawned on me they were hasidic jews over for a wedding. Oddly, they did trash the place in heavy metal tradition (glass in the steam room, towels strewn everywhere). I’m sure they’d ‘ve been happier watching Iron Maiden but would they get the chance?

glasgowdan – Member
Stigmatising people’s faith is wholly wrong.

For years I’ve seen regular religion-bashing and heavy pro-atheism from many members of singletrack. What these people

Arguing against the resurgence of superstition and anti-human propaganda is needed more now than ever.

After all, I’m not using torture or imprisonment or bombs or knives or an inquisition.

I’m using words in defence of an idea in a war of ideas.

Any who seek to stamp out opposition to religion are vile.

Stamping on an argument is always the last resort of those who’ve lost it.

Your use of the patronising “these people” says a lot. About you.

Woppit, you sound like a radicalist. What % of people with personal faiths do you think torture and imprison others?

Woppit, does your bigoted outspokenness extend to everything you don’t like, or is it just religion?

What happened to tolerance, live and let live, and seeing beyond narrow stereotypes?

As Glasgow Dan says, do you think all people of faith kill, main, torture or worse?

Open your mind, stop drinking the Dawkins kool aid, but more importantly cheer the **** up or pipe down. We don’t all want to hear your constant negativity.

Any who seek to stamp out opposition to religion are vile

Said, without a hint of irony, by the rather sad man seeking to stamp out religion.

Stigmatising people’s faith is wholly wrong.

I know what we should do is put to death anyone who says our faith in no faith is false BURN THE UNDENIERS I SAY

Religious people , read your history, are in no position to lecture anyone on extremism or tolerance.

Rationality has beaten your bigotry, judgemental nonsense and I suggest you deal with it by your own faith, praying or forgiveness or whatever else you wish bit FFS stop lecturing me on how to love my life will you We have had a couple of millennia of that shit

Mrry Chrismas

Open your mind, stop drinking the Dawkins kool aid, but more importantly cheer the **** up or pipe down. We don’t all want to hear your constant negativity.

And yet, here you are.

Also, the idea that I should respond to you chucking orders about in an open forum just makes me

😆

So, thanks.

do you think all people of faith kill, main, torture or worse?

Dd he say they did ? what you need to do is deny that religious folk have ever done what he said but that would require facts, that oppose said view, hence the straw man attack.

Lots of folk do things good and bad but the history of religion is many things but the history of peace, tolerance and brotherly love it is not …not even WITHIN the same faiths or sometimes to its own faith!

Also, the idea that I should respond to you chucking orders about in an open forum

or anywhere else, actually.

Pffft. Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

I love grumpy atheists. It’s like there’s something missing in their life

I’ve no idea why you think I’m grumpy.

Perhaps you’re reading something into my words that isn’t there.

A bit like religion claims there’s something there that self-evidently isn’t.

It’s like there’s something missing in their life

like life-long guilt, hatred of other religions, sectarianism, mutilating children’s genitalia, having secret friends, magical books and red knees!
Also, why is it always so hierarchical, lord of lords, panto clothing, commandments, sanctity of the text, puritanical and a complete absence of joie de vivre? Are we really meant to take all that seriously?
ps I never met or read a religious anthropologist or sociologist

Woppit do you realise you are adding nothing to anyone’s life with these posts. Why do you do it?

If you are trying to stimulate discussion you are doing a shit job of it, because all you are doing is pissing people off. Including atheists, which should tell you something.

Please, for the sake of the forum, shut the **** up.

molgrips – Member

If you are trying to stimulate discussion you are doing a shit job of it, because all you are doing is pissing people off. Including atheists, which should tell you something.

I’m an atheist (agnostic atheist, but y’know) and he’s not pissing me off.

Please, for the sake of the forum, shut the **** up.

Did some diving force ordain you voice of the forum now molgrip? If you disagree with him use your words to construct a better argument than him.

I’m interested to know if you truly believe that religion impacts more negatively on humanity than the inescapable neo-liberal framework that the global economy is based on woppit?

I’m a comitted atheist of 30 years or more, and I went through your fanatical phase upon realising that I was surrounded by delusional god fearing folk.
It was a scary time in my life and provoked an extreme reaction in me, adjusting to accommodate people with beliefs outside my own was challenging.
But is religious belief really more dangerous, on an individual basis, than the financial institutions that exploit religious divides as a tool for perpetuating their enslavement of the global populace?
Honestly?

Did some diving force ordain you voice of the forum now molgrip?

no, but he does now seem to be the resident virtue-signaller.

I am also an aetheist and Mr Woppit is not pissing me off 🙂

He is justified in his anger – look at how much of the recent wars and violence can be attributed to religion?

and the argument about religion giving you better morals has also shown to be baloney.

But is religious belief really more dangerous, on an individual basis, than the financial institutions that exploit religious divides as a tool for perpetuating their enslavement of the global populace?

As long as those financial institutions are run by aetheists, it’s all good 🙂

But religious belief on an individual basis is a lot more volatile, and therefore dangerous. The financial institutions you reckon are manipulating religious divides rely on that volatility.

He is justified in his anger – look at how much of the recent wars and violence can be attributed to religion?

If you think that recent wars are purely motivated by actual religion, and that everything would be fine if we didn’t have it, then you are an absolute imbecile.

Or more likely you like hating.

If you think that recent wars are purely motivated by actual religion, and that everything would be fine if we didn’t have it, then you are an absolute imbecile.

That would be cutting if it was from anyone else…

so what defines ‘actual religion’ and how many people follow it ?

that’s the problem, isn’t it. Everybody has their own interpretation and then the argue about it. Look at that immovable ladder rubbish for a crazy example.

And Islam seems to have much more scope for different interpretations.

this is somewhat amusing :

The Western Wall in Jerusalem. A holy place in Judaism were people write down their prayers on prayer notes and place them in the crevices. In the meanwhile this guy is like: "Excuse me, prayer cleanup service coming through."Religion summed up by a man with a brush.

Posted by The Dutch Atheist on Monday, October 16, 2017

I guess the issue I have is the need to shout down and attack all religions and people of faith. What happened to accepting others of different views?

I’m lucky enough to have Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and Buddhist friends as well as atheists and “not sures” – nobody feels the need to preach at or over each other, nobody needs to “prove” their point, and as far as I know, nobody has killed, mutilated, groped, gone to war or otherwise. We all just get along respectfully, accepting people have different beliefs.

It riles that the vocal minority like Woppit feel the need to attack, tarring all people of faith with the same brush as a few nutcases. After all, I wouldn’t dream of badging all atheists as grumpy, argumentative and provocative dicks just because of his posts on here. He’s just one outlying voice and I’d argue not representative of the majority. Statistically insignificant you might say.

I’m not meaning to be obtuse, but I can’t think of a great many examples of religion being the primary motivation for argument without a more sinister driving force manipulating division from behind the scenes.

I’m not meaning to be obtuse, but I can’t think of a great many examples of religion being the cause of arguments without a more sinister driving force manipulating division from behind the scenes.

^^^ This.

andyrm – Member

I guess the issue I have is the need to shout down and attack all religions and people of faith.

So is Woppit out on the streets pamphletting, screaming at passers by about how there is no god, picketing abortion clinics and trying to convert alcoholics and drug addicts to atheism by stealth tactics? Are any atheists? Is he telling stories to children that they must believe in and love and also be terrified of a magic invisible wizard?

This is what most major religions do to lesser or greater degrees (except Judaism as far as I know) but when an atheist pipes up online he’s a bigot who’s attacking people.

What happened to accepting others of different views?

You are allowed to have your views, no matter how stupid. But your views should never be free from criticism. Religious taboos and superstitions are only relevant to those who wish to believe in them. To everyone else they are bullshit.

Just a reminder folks we are handing out free Xmas break from the forum, we’ve already had some winners but there may be more.

Drac – Moderator

Just a reminder folks we are handing out free Xmas break from the forum, we’ve already had some winners but there may be more.

Which means?