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  • riiich
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    Yes, keep it. And if the guilt is keeping you awake at night send them a packet of hobnobs with a thank you note.

    hora
    Member

    A thieves mentality is if its not nailed down or if you haven’t taken enough care then its open season.

    So this is a middle-class version of pinching a bike off the street

    😉

    piemonster
    Member

    I could live with that, quite easily.

    hora
    Member

    Soooooo what makes this any different to classifieds fraud?

    The end result is gaining possession of something that you hadn’t paid for.

    piemonster
    Member

    Don’t use the classifieds, too many crooks about.

    piemonster
    Member

    If someone posted me something I neither requested, nor paid for.

    It’d be up to them to rectify their mistake, not me.

    phil.w
    Member

    Soooooo what makes this any different to classifieds fraud?

    A) He didn’t set out to commit a crime as is the case in classifieds fraud.
    B) In this case no crime has been committed, he has a legal right to keep the laptop.

    HTH

    piemonster
    Member

    To be honest, I’d expect Apple to contact the OP fairly soon. Unless some Warehouse Op has really screwed it up.

    They should have allocated the IMEI to the delivery at some point, and this should get flagged up fairly soon when they realise its not where it’s supposed to be. It wouldn’t surprise me if another Apple customer has already phoned them asking where the product is.

    piemonster
    Member

    They also might notice the delivery for one laptop was twice as heavy as it should have been.

    hora
    Member

    he has a legal right to keep the laptop.

    How? (Genuine, not a STW-arguing for arguing sake)

    phil.w
    Member

    The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations say you have a right to keep goods delivered to you that you didn’t ask for.

    If you receive goods you have not ordered, you can treat the goods as an unconditional gift and you can do what you want with them.

    If you receive a demand for payment for unsolicited goods or services, you can ignore it. If the trader does this, they may have committed a criminal offence under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

    See here

    zzjabzz
    Member

    You have to consider how theft (if this technically is) will affect the ‘victim’.

    In this case, personally, I would keep it.

    piemonster
    Member

    Made myself chuckle, just thinking about what sort of idiot proof procedures Apples logistics provision will have for despatching these high value products.

    Then I thought about the variety of warehouse Ops I known and worked with. Ranging from angry, uninterested, soul destroyed, to barely above vegetable.

    I’d send it back. But that’s about personal morals, and how I’d like to be treated in return.

    But it isn’t always easy. I tried returning some batteries purchased off a trader who used “fulfilled by amazon” where amazon had sent out 80 rechargeables instead of 8, and only billed me for 8. The trader was very appreciative. Amazon were a bunch of obstructive twunts.

    Edukator
    Member

    As soon as anyone plugs a Net cable into the machine you didn’t buy Apple will find it and and try to link it to a sale and a customer. They’ll fail but whether they will link it to the OP I have no idea.

    Premier Icon mtbfix
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    I bet you’d have been straight on the phone if you’d ordered 2 and only 1 turned up. I say ring them but its up to them to arrange collection.

    hora
    Member

    The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations say you have a right to keep goods delivered to you that you didn’t ask for.

    If you receive goods you have not ordered, you can treat the goods as an unconditional gift and you can do what you want with them.

    If you receive a demand for payment for unsolicited goods or services, you can ignore it. If the trader does this, they may have committed a criminal offence under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

    This reminds me of the sad story of the bikeshop employee who sold a bike and miss-keyed a 0 and ended up about 1k out.

    It was noticed later (cashing up? Or balancing) and they traced/called the new owner who basically avoided them.

    Apparently he was within his rights as he said he’d bought the bike for what he considered to be a fair price. It’d have cost them alot via a legal/more Solicitors advice to recover the money.

    He got a cheap bike.

    I wonder what his conscience is like? ‘They can afford it’?

    I’d ring up, if no courier showed then I’d leave it boxed ready. If not after a month or so I’d consider it abandoned. At what point/size of business do you consider it automatically fair game?

    phil.w
    Member

    At what point/size of business do you consider it automatically fair game?

    Personally, I’ve had this happen to me albeit a lower cost item, I rang the company and told them.

    They wanted me to sit in all day and wait for a courier, ie take a day off work, which I deemed to be unreasonable so I left the item on the doorstep for two months, it’s now mine.

    Premier Icon BigJohn
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    Send them a note stating there may be a discrepancy with your delivery and asking them to contact you.

    jon1973
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    You have to consider how theft (if this technically is) will affect the ‘victim’.

    In this case, personally, I would keep it.

    Depends whether the ‘victim’ ends up being Apple, or some grunt on mininum wage who picked the item incorrectly.

    piemonster
    Member

    Depends whether the ‘victim’ ends up being Apple, or some grunt on mininum wage who picked the item incorrectly.

    I find it hard to imagine this would be just one grunts fault. There should be multiple checks before despatch. Picking, packing, goods out.

    I’d also ‘like’ to imagine they batched IMEIs together by the pallet, or similar. Once the pallets empty the product in question should be flagged as missing.

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    I had to ring up CRC the other day. They sent me a packet of Haribos by mistake. They claimed it was some kind of ‘customer gift’, so I can only assume that this is the case with your extra laptop.

    peterfile
    Member

    I’d let them know. As someone else point out above, I’d be worried about selling it on and then Apple picking up on it when registered/connected online.

    A few years ago I treated my mum to a stay over at a De Vere hotel not too far from us.

    There were 4 of us dining on the Saturday night and this accounted for most of the cost of the weekend, the bill for food/booze ought to have been around £700.

    After we’d eaten, we asked for coffee to be brought to a wee drawing room just off the restaurant. It was late, so we finished the last of the booze, drank our coffees and headed to bed.

    I was sat at the check out desk the next morning with a sore head and they handed me my bill to look over. The meal from the night before was missing. I pointed this out and the girl joked that it’s not often guests highlight the stuff missing from their bill.

    She went off to find my signed bill but was unable to locate it. I told her I didn’t remember actually signing anything and told her about moving from the restaurant to the drawing room etc just after the meal.

    She said she would be unable to charge me for the meal without the bill and that it would therefore not be added to my final bill!

    wtf!! I told them I was perfectly happy for them to put a new bill together, was told that wouldn’t be necessary and at which point I received an elbow from mrs file so we let the matter drop. I didn’t feel particularly happy when I left since I was concerned the very nice man who looked after us during dinner may get his backside kicked.

    piemonster
    Member

    To be honest, that’s the hoteliers fault. Somebody should get an arse kicking.

    It’s not like you dived out an open window and legged it.

    jon1973
    Member

    I find it hard to imagine this would be just one grunts fault. There should be multiple checks before despatch. Picking, packing, goods out.

    Yes, processes should in place. But mistakes happen, and I doubt whether the CEO of Apple will take the flack, so someone at a relatively low level would get the blame for this kind of thing, while some lucky bugger is at home polishing the screen on their free laptop.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Ha! Is it a moral dilemma? Wouldn’t be for me!
    (ps. I was brought up in Leigh Park)

    piemonster
    Member

    Apple UK resolving the issue today

    CountZero
    Member

    Piemonster, that’s brilliant! 😆

    ds3000
    Member

    I remember On-One sent me two Pompino frames, when I only ordered and paid for one, I thought long and hard about it before my conscience got the better of me and I called them up to tell them of the mistake, felt a little better as at the time they still seemed to be a small company.

    steveotomo
    Member

    just to update, spoke to apple yesterday, i am now the owner of a second macbook pro… was able to buy it with a nice discount 😉 gotta love karma…..

    monkey_boy
    Member

    tell them, karma and all that, your brakes will fail next week…

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    So not an error but a bit of shrewd marketing 🙂

    Premier Icon Matt24k
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    Hang on a minute… did you actually want 2 MacBook pros or was the nice discount so large that you could not refuse.
    Checks classifieds for recent listing of MacBook pro, unwanted gift 😀

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    EDIT – tits. Wrong thread

    dooosuk
    Member

    Wrong thread mac? 😉

    piemonster
    Member

    EDIT – tits. Wrong thread

    Link to thread please?

    CountZero
    Member

    Wrong thread post fail there, I think… 😀

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    Link to thread please?

    Your thread 🙂

    steveotomo
    Member

    Hang on a minute… did you actually want 2 MacBook pros or was the nice discount so large that you could not refuse.
    Checks classifieds for recent listing of MacBook pro, unwanted gift

    i couldnt say no lol… and yeah, i probably could sell and make some money 😉

    bomberman
    Member

    Just a warning about this guy.

    I’m having problems with him. I paid him £135 via paypal for an iPhone 5 with a slightly damaged screen (too good to be true?) he was quite pushy about taking payment saying someone else was interested and then as soon as i sent the money he went quiet. Without giving me any details about when he would send the phone. After the weekend he came back on (said he’d been busy) and said he’d post it first thing Monday morning. Well, monday morning arrived and i had an email from Paypal saying he’d refunded me the whole amount, the reason in the notes that “it takes 14 days to unlock and he didn’t realise”. This is a guy who claims to sell mobile phones for a living.

    This is the guy’s website:

    PHONE GEEK

    There was no email to discuss the refund or ask me if i still wanted the phone to unlock it myself. I’ve emailed him since and had no response. Either he’s an amateur with bad communication skills or he’s bottled it and sent the money back. He has only been a member of this forum for a few days which makes me even more suspicious.

    Maybe i’m just unlucky but since he’s not explaining himself very well i though i’d post on here to give anyone else who might be dealing with him a heads-up. He’ll probably be on here soon to defend himself…

    MoseyMTB
    Member

    it’s also utter bullshit that Apple would offer the macbook at a discounted rate. They simply wouldn’t do that. I had the exact same situation, as detailed earlier, and Apple arrange to pick up the macbook at there expense.

    My friend works at Apple meadowhall, he’s sat with me now, and can confirm there is no way Apple would do this.

    Pics of discounted receipt or it didn’t happen.

    toys19
    Member

    Bomberman, hang on you havent got a phone and you have got a refund? What is there to be suspicious about? Maybe he is just honest. I fail to see what you have lost.

    MoseyMTB
    Member

    Oh and I’m totally happy to be proved wrong by the way.

    bomberman
    Member

    I can’t prove anything, but the reason I paid the man £135 in the first place was so that he could and me the phone I wanted. Even if it did take 14 days to unlock an iPhone 5, waking up on the morning your item is due to be posted to find you’ve got a refund is a bad experience. The money’s left my account and PayPal have put a hold on it so I am unable to spend it. If I send it straight back into my bank (when I can) it will still take time for it to become as part of my funds. He just refunded me out of the blue….I think he bottled it. It wasn’t sent PayPal gift it he did try to get me to pay the fees, and when I said I’d only deal if he paid the fees his email response was “for f*uck sake, go on then”.

    Sounds like the attitude of someone trying to pull a scam to me. He hasn’t been on here for more than a few days and this whole thread smells of “look at me I’m an honest guy see how trustworthy I am?”

    I don’t want to make myself look like a tw*t any more I’m just here to give people a heads up.

    tpbiker
    Member

    so are we saying the seller is a scam artist? Even though hes refunded you all the cash. I’m slightly confused by where this thread is heading.

    Either way I just thought I’d put my tuppence in about the original dilema incase anyone faces a similar situation. There is no way on earth I would have informed them. If it was a question of morality and karma I would have chucked it under my bed for a month or 2 to ensure they’d forgotten about it then sell it and given the money to charity (although in reality I’d have spend the money on bike bling and my mortgage)

    And on the topic of Karma..

    Apple is a horrific company that still owe me money for 2 ipods that broke a week after the 1 year warranty ran out. Not to mention their dubious moral business codes, that steal from each and every one of us UK tax payers with their tax avoidance schemes on a daily basis. I’d not think twice about taking something from them for free if I could get away with it.

    Same wouldn’t apply to a small business obviously.

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