- Monday Morning Debrief No.21 – Show us your sanitisation
Not sanitisation exactly, more organised sabotage. This what is the bridleway at the top of Windy Hill (the big transmitter mast above the M62) looked like last Friday:
Now, I grant that this particular bit of trail was a rutted, boggy mess (mostly due to the ‘cheeky’ MXers who ride it regularly) but I’m not sure that it’s been repaired to the required standard, as they seem to have just dumped an old mill on top off it or something.
Lots of lovely shards of glass mixed in with all that random rubble:
I consider my tubeless setup to have been thoroughly tested after riding down that lot. Can you get puncture-proof horses, I wonder?Posted 4 years agoscotroutesSubscribermintimperial wrote:
Not sanitisation exactly, but this what is the bridleway at the top of Windy Hill (the big transmitter mast above the M62) looked like last Friday:
Now, I grant that this particular bit of trail was a rutted, boggy mess (mostly due to the ‘cheeky’ MXers who ride it regularly) but I’m not sure that it’s been repaired to the required standard, as they seem to have just dumped an old mill on top off it or something.Posted 4 years ago
Lots of lovely shards of glass mixed in with all that random rubble:
I consider my tubeless setup to have been thoroughly tested after riding down that lot. Can you get puncture-proof horses, I wonder?
That’s worth reportingslugwashMember
Congratulations to Devon County Council for over-engineering a bridleway tidy up and turning one mile of exhilarating twisty, downhill singletrack into an autobahn..
After….Posted 4 years ago
When this happened around our way I contacted mbr and singletrack to do a feature and highlight what I feel is the biggest threat to our sport.Posted 4 years ago
Neither seemed that keen.
My next thought was to contact Clarkson from a drivers point of view, moaning that the countryside was smoother than our pot holed roads.
There are a lot of local bikers who have the opinion that ‘I don’t care,I don’t ride there”. They don’t realise their favourite track could be next.
I’ve moaned to my local council and their response is that they have the money and have to spend it. This comes at a time when our local hospital is at threat of closure.
Someone in charge of MY taxes needs a good bollocking.BillOddieSubscriber
Thankfully not of my “good stuff” has been sanitised, however quite a lot of the wider tracks that had streams running down them during the recent rain has have had a load of gravel dumped on them. That’ll last ages when the rain returns inevitably.
Also stone “bridges” have been built over some of the streams, with dirt on top. These bridges have been built on top of a plastic tube.
Where there was a little stream to hop over/ride through there is now a 2mx2m area of ankle deep mud OVER THE BRIDGE that takes an age to dry out. That was well thought out then.
I think the crux of the matter is the people who do these “improvements” know **** all about sustainable trail design and building. It’s purely a money spending and ticking a box exercise for them.Posted 4 years agotwiglet_monsterMember
A real shame – couldn’t they have left the big rocks in and done their gravel tomfoolery on top? at least it would stand half a chance of getting back to how it was…
the resurfacing that takes place around our way (East Surrey/Surrey Hills) is driven by horse riders as far as I can see. One glorious trail in Farley Heath got clobbered, even though there was a parallel sandy bridleway running paralell 200 metres away! Farewell narrow gulley almost shoulder height – so much fun!
Langley Vale got resurfaced recently too – thankfully the rain is cutting through back to the chalk and I can report from yesterday’s ride that its starting to be fun again 😀
TMPosted 4 years agoMing the MercilessSubscriber
A local trail to me (Bleedin’ Lisa) was sanitized about 8 years ago, with a bit of judicious assistance from, ahem, the unknown dog walker the trail has been reinstated to its former glory by rainwater diversions during heavy down pours to assist the gullying and step forming process.
One bits so good now that my really gobby, thinks-he’s-a-riding-god friend was reduced to shaken, pale, silence after trying to follow me through at the “conservative” speeds I ride at.
Unfortunately the water company are now going to be working across itPosted 4 years ago
so Iso the unknown dog walker will have to start back at square one.trail_ratMember
deeside railway got sanitised recently – from boggy mess to tarmac footpath ….
its most excellent to commute to work on without getting clarted and speedy to boot.
not all bad – they did ruin tyrebagger though. – ill let bruneep post his photos from there. “wheel chair accessable” was the line used.Posted 4 years agoBadlyWiredDogSubscriber
This is the before photo:
There isn’t actually an after photo yet because the path has been closed after some serious rain damage for around six months or so now. I post it to reassure those who think that any sort of gravelled surface is going to last very long. Until it rained properly, this was a singletrack bridleway that had been ‘restored’ numerous times with a combination of gravel and weird fibrous cloth stuff – most of it ended up half a mile down the lane at the bottom along with a fair bit of the tarmac surface of the lane itself. 😉
God only knows what they’ll do when they get round to restoring it… 😉Posted 4 years agoklumpyMember
I feel some sympathy for the people in charge of managing these routes when confronted by mountain bikers.
They get moaned at because a trail is a lumpy unrideable mess, so they put down a lovely smooth gravel path. Then they get moaned at because it’s too easy. They must sometimes think we’re being deliberately difficult, and as a user group we can be a little bit “goldilocks”.
It’s too difficult, it’s too easy, it’s too lumpy, it’s too smooth, as a user group we can encompass opinions ranging from “trail centers are too smooth”, to outrage that people have been braking and leaving bumps!
I wouldn’t like to try and keep us happy, we’re a bunch of asshats. (Not me, of course, but the rest of you. 😉 )
And let’s not forget, they don’t only cater to us, they have to cater to at least some access for EVERYONE, right down to the unsteady on their feet or in a wheelchair. Someone wheeling Granny to the viewpoint doesn’t relish the challenge of slippery roots and rock drop offs.Posted 4 years agojustinbieberSubscriber
It winds me up all this sanitizing – there are mountains in the Lakes that you could take a wheel chair up. Now I’m all for equal rights, but that’s taking it a touch too far.
Fortunately the weather is so gash, that give it a winter or two and as has been said before, it reverts back to it’s previous state, sometimes even better.Posted 4 years agoKona TCSubscriber
Mmm… sadly I also feel some sympathy for councils who have to manage routes, I suspect they look for inspiration by google-ing mountain bike trials and get pictures like the ones above, and probably think ‘well our section of trail isn’t as steep but clearly that’s what mountain bikers need/like’ and build nice wide trail smoothed over with compacted gravel.Posted 4 years agoBadlyWiredDogSubscriber
I wouldn’t like to try and keep us happy, we’re a bunch of asshats. (Not me, of course, but the rest of you. )
That’s fine, because basically ‘they’ don’t give a stuff what we say or think . Keeping mountain bikers happy is so far down the agenda that it may as well not be on it at all. So actually your sympathy for ‘the people in charge of managing these routes’ is somewhat wasted.Posted 4 years agoIanMunroMember
In defence of councils, I’ve been mostly pleased with trail sanitation done round Hertfordshire. Several trails that were pretty un-ridable for a reasonable proportion of the year have been made rideable. Tend to look fairly hideous when first done, but after a couple of years it’s hard to remember what they were like before.
Regardless of everything written above, the usage of our tax money should be put to better ends. No one on the planet would prioritise smoothing out the countryside over keeping a hospital open
Personally I’d prioritise trail smoothing over say buying special ambulances for fatties, but that’s just the inner fascist in me 🙂Posted 4 years ago
I think it’s different pools of money anyway – trails are council tax, NHS central taxation. Could be wrong though.brakesMember
don’t it always seem to go
that you don’t know what you got til it’s gone
they paved paradise
and put up a parking lot
why don’t they just sanitise a strip of it? half for the wheelchairs, half for the xc core gnarr riders.Posted 4 years ago
and I’d take gravel over sand anyway – bleedin horsey landowners putting it down for their bleedin ‘orses.
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