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  • Premier Icon binners
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    You’re right. Thank god that privately supplied care of the elderly, or private ‘care’ homes in the likes of Rochdale (heywood in particular – mainly owned by private equity firms charging between £250,000 – £400,000 per chold, per year)?have such a glowing reputation, and stand like a beacon as to what we all want from the education system for our children!

    Premier Icon ampthill
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    Education needs teachers. Currently the country has about 400,000. They all either work for the government or charities. The uk currently has no school teaching for profit.

    Premier Icon ampthill
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    Education needs teachers. Currently the country has about 400,000. They all either work for the government or charities. The uk currently has no school teaching for profit.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Yeah… Eton is a textbook example of a charity. Just remind me what service they provide for the needy again. I must have missed it today in the hour long lecture from one of their gifts to a grateful nation

    julianwilson
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    With the salaries you can still pay yourself and your mates staff and the awesumz tax breaks, you would be foolish not to run a private school as a charity.

    djglover
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    I expect that teaching will become a skill that can be commercialised as an other.

    The world is changing and I doubt that public sector teachers will have a monopoly on providing teaching in 10-20 years time.

    Premier Icon teamhurtmore
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    Actually, Binners I had hoped you would say first, one of our universities rather than one of our independent schools. Or perhaps some of the outstanding state schools. But let’s run with the example you chose. Eton College. So from the outset we can see from your chosen example than there is no necessary conflict between ownership and quality of education.

    Indeed we have world class education existing in the public and private sectors. That’s the point. And indeed Unis are a good example of where both sectors can work well togehter. Interesting, huh!?!

    ernie_lynch
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    I doubt that public sector teachers will have a monopoly on providing teaching in 10-20 years time.

    Public sector teachers have never had a monopoly on providing teaching.

    PJM1974
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    Michael Gove. Why him in particular ?

    He specifically said that people in the media should be allowed to berate politicians, so I’d like to take this opportunity to announce to the entire world that Mr Gove has ploppy pants.

    That his mum bought him.

    Premier Icon binners
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    It’s only really interesting if you’re in the tiny percentage of the population who can afford the fees. Otherwise it’s sort of…. Academic

    See what I did there? 😀

    Junkyard
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    So from the outset we can see from your chosen example than there is no necessary conflict between ownership and quality of education.

    well not if you are in that great school but there will be if you are in competition with them which will inevitably occur between private companies paid per pupils

    Education should not be a scarce resource hoarded by those lucky enough to possess it. Education is meant to be shared. Its power does not decrease with the giving. It is an economic and social good,” said Sir Michael.

    That is the head of Ofsted today telling off the private schools for not doing much to help the state sector BTW. Despite all their wealth, their charitable status, their high quality teaching, their massive sports fields and facilities apparently they dont help much …who would have thought it but they are a bit selfish and less egalitarian and inclusive.
    If we use say supermarkets as an example and assume only tesco and asda are the only two. If asda was rubbish it would not matter as we would all go to Tesco. This is not an option with education as some will be stuck in asda. The goal is to make sure that tesco and asda are identical. That is we want to give everyone an equally good start in life. I dont see how the private sector with schools in competition helps us achieve this tbh. I am sure on an individual basis , like a faith school or academy [shudders] , they can perform well. Its not a solution for improving education for all but it may be one for improving it for the few.

    pondo
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    If a group of local parents were opening a free school with the best interest of the kids at heart, I’d probably volunteer as an assistant metalwork or PE teacher if they’d have me.

    It seems to me that the last people you’d want organising your child’s education are a bunch of well meaning parents with no training or experience. Certainly, when they get round to opening a hospital or accountancy firm, I’d avoid those too.

    Premier Icon teamhurtmore
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    I read what he said today and he is well meaning but misguided.

    I think it is perfectly possible to see how the private and public sector can work together – indeed my preferred choice as an example of world class education is a good example. But equating any private sector involvement (and indeed the false assumption that this is driven by the sole objective of profit maximisation) with a negative outcome is a folly and is unhelpful.

    grum
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    But equating any private sector involvement (and indeed the false assumption that this is driven by the sole objective of profit maximisation)….

    No some of the academies are driven by religious dogma too. 😉

    Junkyard
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    But equating any private sector involvement (and indeed the false assumption that this is driven by the sole objective of profit maximisation) with a negative outcome is a folly and is unhelpful.

    Its a bit of straw man as no one has worded it as strongly as that

    What exactly would you say their motives were then ?

    ernie_lynch
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    But the big difference is that I don’t feel a strong urge to slap a turtle.

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