Obviously a large leave vote will be taken as a stop brexit right now message by the labour big wigs.

Another one who’s voted something other than Labour for the first time as I just couldn’t vote for a pro-Brexit party

Green as the tactical voting said that was the best pro-remain option in the North West

Oob, we don’t have to agree with everything they say, just more of theirs than the next.

As it goes most of that I do agree with and, just because some of it as you rightly point out is true of most member states doesn’t make it any less true of the EU.

Re the multinational vs small business you don’t have to have one at the expense of the other, the EU is actually making some ground on holding the large multi nationals to account where a lot of nations lack either the will or weight to do so. On the other hand I can’t help but look at the wholesale relocation of (eg steel) industry from one end of the EU to the other in pursuit of greater profit as specifically facilitated by policies on free movement of goods.
Your friend moving low value items might be a poster boy for that same policy but equally 50 years ago the equivalent items would have been produced locally, moved locally and supported several small businesses over a wide area. There are arguments for both sides and dismissing either because of a limited number of examples is pretty foolish.

Well we will not hear any results until late Sunday evening.

So rejoice in the fact that you got off your arses and voted.

👍💃

Binners – Nice choice. If labour don’t get the message after this then they really are dying. I expect a low % on a low turnout.

I made the same sort of tactical choice

Your friend moving low value items might be a poster boy for that same policy but equally 50 years ago the equivalent items have been produced locally, moved locally and supported several small businesses over a wide area. There are arguments for both sides and dismissing either because of a limited number of examples is pretty foolish.

You can’t blame the EU for that, that’s just how the global economy works. I’m all for doing thing locally but in the UK we have a load of people, not enough agriculture to feed ourselves and few natural resources. Clearly it would be better if that wasn’t the case but it is and our options are to participate in Global trade (and the EU is a big part of that) or literally starve. And that’s not the EU’s fault, that’s just how it is.

On the other hand I can’t help but look at the wholesale relocation of (eg steel) industry from one end of the EU to the other in pursuit of greater profit as specifically facilitated by policies on free movement of goods.

Free movement of capital and labour so the most efficient places get the work is a cornerstone of the EU. You’re making out it’s a disadvantage it’s the main advantage. Protecting business with Tariffs/restrictions on movement has never worked long term. You can’t blame the EU for accepting economic reality.

Hoping for a surge of youth voting, might be in vain but you never know. Polls didn’t look very hopeful though.

I voted Green as best chance of fending of Leaver parties, but was worried that of all the people i saw going into the Polling Station i was the youngest at 44 by about 20 years!

A tough election- deciding between UKIP and the Brexit party was never going to be easy.

I voted Green as best chance to show I’m a committed leaver whilst making all my friends think I’m cool of fending of Leaver parties

“has been distorted by vested political and economic interests into a union dominated by economic interests, which lacks democratic control, and promotes the goals of multinational corporations which are interested in profit not people, and which runs counter to the professed core values of the Union.”

“the excessive influence of the Commission and its associated bodies compared to the Council and Parliament is both undemocratic and unaccountable.”

“The present structure of EU committees gives too much power to particular interests at the expense of citizens of member countries generally.”.

“The Green Party rejects many existing EU policies and likewise opposes inclusion of them in a constitution or constitutional treaty.”

“In our Green vision for Europe we seek to replace the unsustainable economics of free trade and unrestricted growth with the ecological alternative of local self reliance and resource conservation”

https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/eu.html

Hoping for a surge of youth voting

Lowering the voting age to 14 and having a cut-off age to filter out all the ageing gammons who will be dead anyway will deliver the Socialist Utopia Union of Europe comrades. To the barricades!

You’re making out it’s a disadvantage it’s the main advantage

You’re making out it’s all good or all bad.

I did..

Outofbreath – i like that the Green Party thinks the EU is far from perfect, but what i like more is the fact that they realise you have to have your feet under the table to be in the negotiations, not pissing outside the back door moaning that you have no say and you’re being treated unfairly….

You’re making out it’s all good or all bad.

No, I’m saying it’s fundamentally good but could be tweaked. The green voters are saying it’s it’s fundamentally bad – undemocratic & it’s allows easy movement of stuff across a wide area. Tweaks can’t fix the “problems” the Green voters have, they’re central to the whole idea of a large free trade area with free movement of capital and people.

Outofbreath – i like that the Green Party thinks the EU is far from perfect

Yes, that’s clear. I just think you’re wrong, the EU is actually pretty good.

https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/eu.html

Yep – agree with all of that. The EU stinks in a number of important ways. If we could run our own shop, it would be good to do so, but clearly we can’t, so being an EU member is a necessary evil.

binners, I thought LibDem was the tactical vote of choice for the NW?

posted this in the EU Ref thread but here seems more appropriate…

Well I voted last night, as did my Wife, got into work this morning and casually asked my colleagues if they had voted, depressing replies:

person 1 – early 30s: “nah, they’re all a bunch of ‘see you next tuesdays’ so what’s the point

person 2 – late 50s: “no, we’re leaving so no point” (he voted leave ‘to shake things up’ in the ref)

person 3 – mid 30s: “yes of course!” (didn’t say which way but I think he’ll have gone Lib Dem)

person 4 – mid 30s: “nope, euros so no point”

person 5 – early 30s: “yup, for Farage!” (I think he meant he voted for the Brexit party, not Farage directly, but I’m not sure he knows the difference)

So from my tiny sample of youngish to middle-aged IT guys from Devon, voter apathy wins above everything else 🙁

I am loving how everyone is avoiding engaging with the troll on this thread.

Another Green vote here

our polling station was busy and the ballot box stuffed by 7pm. They were using a fish slice to shove the ballots in.
In the NE it was a hard choice who to vote for. For the first time ever I made up my mind in the booth. The risk was splitting the vote and letting Farage’s mob win all three seats.

Probably me being dopey, but if the UK can’t announce results until Sunday/Monday, why do there seem to be reports of the Holland results (who also voted yesterday)?

I haven’t seen any percentages on voter turnout (been out on the bike lol), but from a friend who always helps at these things the % turnout in his area was up from an abysmal 27% to an equally abysmal 29%.

Apathy seems to be the real winner again 🙁

if the UK can’t announce results until Sunday/Monday, why do there seem to be reports of the Holland results

The government is having difficulties finding someone in office who can count above 10 without moving their lips.

Probably me being dopey, but if the UK can’t announce results until Sunday/Monday, why do there seem to be reports of the Holland results (who also voted yesterday)?

Because the “populists” did less well than expected, so the EU are happy for this news to come out in the hope it discourages the populist vote across Europe. People don’t want their vote to be wasted- the EU spreads the idea that populism isn’t gaining traction, others will be disuaded from voting populist.

The government is having difficulties finding someone in office who can count above 10 without moving their lips.

I hear Dianne Abbot is free. She’s already counted 150 million votes in her region.

The Dutch thing is based on exit polls not the actual ballot.

Exit polls are supposedly illegal because voting is continuing across the EU. Call me a troll, stick your fingers in your ears and go La la la, avoid engaging with the truth, that’s your choice, but fact is the EU is a wrongun.

Ah, I see we’ve mastered irony. What’s next on the list, charm?

Exit polls are supposedly illegal because voting is continuing across the EU.

Illegal under UK law, but how about Dutch law?  Maybe, just maybe, there’s nothing to see here after all.

…but how about Dutch law?

Bending the rules?

I didn’t vote – I just don’t really care one way or the other and have made my peace with that

I hear Dianne Abbot is free. She’s already counted 150 million votes in her region.

Or maybe we could get Philip Hammond on the job – he will get the right answer. Within 20 billion or so.

From what I read earlier, EU rules allow exit polls, UK rules do not.

“In Holland we used to have a big problem with illegal exit polls, but now we have legalized them: there is no problem!”

didn’t bother – we are leaving.

There can be only one point five million

What’s the likely timeline after today’s news? Seems like the elected MEPs will actually sit. The new Tory leader isn’t going to be in post and have resolved Brexit by the end of July

The new Tory leader isn’t going to be in post and have resolved Brexit by the end of July

I doubt Brexit will have been resolved by July 2020. Bojo will find himself in exactly the same bind TM was in….