they have applied for dutch nationality where the age of consent is 12 😉

What’s wrong here is the guy is a nonce simple as.

Simple as………….. 🙄

Whats going on with the photo of the guy in this article?

Looks like he’s had two faces stitched together

An old yorkshireman told me ; never trust a man with a beard and no moustache !

On Crikey’s observation; I doubt if people would be congratulating a 15yo boy,at least I would hope not. Having your child run away to a foreign country with somebody in a position of trust is not really funny no matter the gender of the teacher.

That may be so duck man, but the point is still valid and probably true.

What I don’t understand is; if he really liked her he could have waited until she was 16

Maybe he couldn’t? A year is a long time

my dads youngest sister ran away with a teacher when she was 14 they ve been married 62 years now..

regarding young ms stammers virtue.. no problem the missus hands out morning after pills to 13 yr olds virtually every day.. and none of the questions shes has to ask is was it your teacher., so it must be okay..

ps just dont go asking for viagra as the formatted questions include ”which is your favoured method of banking…”

And children mature so quickly these days – become sexualised so early, make up, tight revealing clothes. 15 year olds now are very different from when I was 15.
Further, life with her parents may be horrible, she may be getting abused at home. There’s undoubtedly more to this than meets the eye, and I wouldn’t start off by calling him a nonce. .

It’s not a great situation. His life is in tatters, she will probably be over it in a few months. He was well past stupid, not sure what its called but there you go.

It’s surprising how many times this happens and the two parties actually go on get married and have a good life together, usually the age gap is not quite 15 years mind.

there is a 21 year gap between me and mrsf……….

….only married her for her pension

as she is under the age of consent has he not set himself up for a statutory rape charge??

as she is under the age of consent has he not set himself up for a statutory rape charge??

Just for holding hands? 😯

Slightly OT, but as a man in my early 30’s I recently tried to chat up a nice young lady in her early 20’s.

We had pretty much nothing in common, soon after she said “Huh, who TF is Tom Selleck?!” (don’t ask!) I realised that there was already a generational gap between us 🙁

Sad for all involved, and I just can’t see why he’d do it TBH. Hope she gets back home safely though really.

We had pretty much nothing in common, soon after she said “Huh, who TF is Tom Selleck?!” (don’t ask!) I realised that there was already a generational gap between us

Pmsl seriously that is funny.

Slightly OT, but as a man in my early 30’s I recently tried to chat up a nice young lady in her early 20’s.
We had pretty much nothing in common, soon after she said “Huh, who TF is Tom Selleck?!” (don’t ask!) I realised that there was already a generational gap between us
Sad for all involved, and I just can’t see why he’d do it TBH. Hope she gets back home safely though really.

You used a reference to Tom Selleck as a chat up line and wonder why it didn’t work out?

A friend of mine has been married to one of her former teachers, 12 years her senior, for 20 odd years now. The party line has always been that nothing happened till after she’d left school after her A levels.

Abuse of trust is clearly wrong, if it is destined to be a “proper” relationship then they should have had the sense to wait till it was legal before eloping

That said, two or three of the kids I was at school with had relationships with teachers, think most waited till the 6th form, and the laws weren’t as strict back then about abuse of trust.

I blame the guy who looked exactly like a slighty overweight Tom Selleck who walked past. Curse him AND his (awesome) 1980’s style moustache

She is a minor and so all responsibility falls on the teacher in my opinion.

He could have CHOSEN to seek another job if it was just this girl he had a ‘problem’ with. He could have CHOSEN to give up teaching if he felt that he could not resist his illegal and immoral urges. Instead, he CHOSE to conduct an inappropriate relationship. No amount of pleading that ‘this is different from other cases’ or ‘because I fancy myself as a bit of an artist this sort of thing is more excusable’ can make any difference to the fact that he CHOSE to od this. By our actions are we judged.

The risk now is that there is no incentive for him to come back and bring her with him – at the very least he is looking at life on a register and no career and no wife. At worst is a spell inside as a world-famous nonce.

As for her, when you are 15 you don’t think about the future. You don’t think ‘people will be wary of me when they find out who I am’, you don’t think there will be anyone other than the boy/girl you are infatuated with at that point – that is why elders in positions of power over minors simply have to act responsibly. Her life is not going to be so great either after this. She cannot change school because everyone now knows who she is – it will always be there. I hope she can make a shift back to just being a kid for while before she actually becomes an adult for real. Childhood seems to be getting shorter and shorter.

The teacher should not be apologised for by anybody. If you CHOOSE to commit a crime then tough.

I do concur that the context of the relationship is not one of equals, he is obviously not mature for a responsible position, she is just a young girl/woman , who is more than likely infatuated, but the ott reactions say more about our society than some like to admit.

My impression of him from his crooning, blogging and appearance is that he hasn’t managed to get rid of his own sixth-form mindset, which might help explain how he has somehow rationalised this as acceptable.

I feel sorry for both the girl and his poor wife. Not much sympathy for him.

Saw some film footage of him on the news singing and I wonder if he sings “Don’t Stand So Close To Me” when he’s on stage?

And children mature so quickly these days – become sexualised so early, make up, tight revealing clothes. 15 year olds now are very different from when I was 15.
Further, life with her parents may be horrible, she may be getting abused at home. There’s undoubtedly more to this than meets the eye, and I wouldn’t start off by calling him a nonce. .

What would you call a male teacher who elopes to a foreign country with an under age pupil from his school? Peadophile is the usual description ( AKA NONCE).

…has he not set himself up for a statutory rape charge??

I think the age at which the law states a girl can’t give her consent (which is entirely different to the ‘age of consent’) is 13 and below.

Peadophile is the usual description (

Legal definition: Someone ‘adult’ who finds ‘children’ (i.e. humans under the arbitrary legal age of consent in any country – so anything from under 12 to under 21) sexually attractive. Under this definition I’m fairly sure the vast majority of people (asexuals excluded) have at some time or another been a paedophile.

Correct definition: Someone ‘adult’ who finds ‘children’ (i.e. pre-pubescent humans…because to have sexual feelings for someone incapable of breeding would be unnatural?) sexually attractive. Under this definition I’m fairly sure the vast majority of people (asexuals excluded) HAVE NOT at some time or another been a paedophile.

paedophilia refers to pre pubescent children.
Nonce is a generic term for any sex offender would also include child killers etc

Peadohfile for your info– oh – one of them nonce things…

who rattled your cage 😉 Did someone blow the horn of gore ?

rudebwoy – Member
Peadohfile for your info– oh – one of them nonce things…

who rattled your cage Did someone blow the horn of gore ?

Trolling/or do you condone child abuse and rape?. if it’s the latter you should be locked up with the likes of huntley and all of his perverted ilk.

Correct definition: Someone ‘adult’ who finds ‘children’ (i.e. pre-pubescent humans…because to have sexual feelings for someone incapable of breeding would be unnatural?) sexually attractive. Under this definition I’m fairly sure the vast majority of people (asexuals excluded) HAVE NOT at some time or another been a paedophile.

I think you meant included that time

rudebwoy – Member
Peadohfile for your info– oh – one of them nonce things…
who rattled your cage Did someone blow the horn of gore ?

Trolling/or do you condone child abuse and rape?. if it’s the latter you should be locked up with the likes of huntley and all of his perverted ilk.

Humour Fail.. read your original spelling, oh and there was a :wink:but you chose to edit that out

I don’t think it’s unreasonable either, and as I said, I can quite see how a teacher could and should lose his or her job for it. What I can’t understand is why it is a criminal offence.

A 21 year old teacher could meet a 17 year old girl in a nightclub. They both quite fancy each other, and as long as shes not a pupil at his school, they can fool around with each other to their hearts’ content and no-one would bat an eyelid. If she is a pupil at his school, he could go to prison for doing what they both happily consent to doing. It seem a bit draconian.
But they’re different contexts entirely because the teacher is not in a position of special responsibility and the pupil is not specially vulnerable to him. It’s different between having sex with a psychiatrist and having sex with your psychiatrist.

soon after she said “Huh, who TF is Tom Selleck?!” (don’t ask!) I realised that there was already a generational gap between us

Mate, Tom Selleck was yesterday’s man and past his prime even when you were growing up.

I think the age at which the law states a girl can’t give her consent (which is entirely different to the ‘age of consent’) is 13 and below.

I think you’re a bit confused. Perhaps you can elaborate.

I think you’d all be a little surprised at how prevalent this type of thing is in secondary schools. I can’t think of a school that I’ve worked in that hasn’t regularly had to deal with this complex issue.

Although regardless of the nature, it’s fundamentally wrong. A teacher in a position of care and responsibility who engages in an emotional, physical or sexual relationship with a student is using their position in said childs life as an ‘in’, if you’ll excuse the pun. It is an abuse.

All I can say is hes an adult. If he couldnt tune out the ‘interest’ as a part of the job then hesgot something else going on in his head. How can you find immature school girls even vaguely appealling.

I think you’d all be a little surprised at how prevalent this type of thing is in secondary schools. I can’t think of a school that I’ve worked in that hasn’t regularly had to deal with this complex issue.

Sounds like it was unusually prevalent at that particular school, they’ve already had one teacher jailed for grooming and having sex with pupils in 2009, and allowed a retired priest to stay on as governor despite 38 charges of child abuse to his name (he goes on trial next month). :/

I think you all ought to stop accusing this chap of rape, you don’t know any of the facts yet, it could be platonic of course.

I think you all ought to stop accusing this chap of rape, you don’t know any of the facts yet, it could be platonic of course.

This is a fair point.

However unlikely it may be that that there isn’t one, there is no proof of a sexual relationship.

I had a good think back to my schooldays last night, (ancient history)- and remember how some of the girls seemed very well developed for their age, not only physically but mentally. There were a couple in my year who as we got into our mid teens were to all intents and purposes’young women’ –one had a much older boyfriend(he worked), the other had a real crush on the geography teacher, i think he resisted, but i could imagine a less mature/weaker person succumbing to her charms.
None of this seemed scandalous at the time, (early 70’s) sure there were some sniggers and stuff, but that was all.

Today the climate seems to have changed, with less tolerance and more condemning the default setting for many.This is not to defend or chastise his actions, whatever they are, just that its never a simple black or white issue .

There is a 21 year gap between me and my wife, we were both adults when we met(she was anyway) thirteen years on we have two spirited daughters, a loving family and good friends.

This is a not the downfall as civilisation, just an unusual affair,yes there are issues of inequality but as for as we can tell she went willingly, he may just be a 15 year old trapped in a man’s body 😉

and yet the school did nothing? it is a church school though i suppose they just covered it up as normal

It’s a C of E school, not what you call particularly religious. I went to one and all it meant in practice is going to church for easter and christmas. Didn’t even do any religious studies until the mockery that is RE in secondary school.

A friend of mine taught at a catholic school in London with more than its fair share of teacher-pupil “interaction” as well as teachers allegedly grooming pupils for friends. They also had the entirely predictable priest child-abuse issues (one fairly recent one too).

It does seem to be a fairly basic fact of human beings that if you put people in authority over others, sooner or later things will happen that abuses the trust put in place.

No I totally disagree. Even back ‘then’ immature schoolboys like ourselves KNEW things weren’t right. For instance some teachers stood and ‘made sure’ you all washed yourselves properly in the showers. Taking too much of an interest that everything was washed. It was uncomfortable. Then there was the female butch PE teacher who took too much attention of the young girls and we later found out she went out with girls ‘magically’ who had just left the school/turned 16 etc etc. The girls didn’t like it but what could you say to adults? All we could do was talk about it- yes there were chinese whispers but there were all first account/group conversations as well. When you are minor’s its very difficult to challenge authority/what to do etc so it stays unpassed on- when you were circa 14 would you have gone straight to your Head Master with such things?

I doubt much has changed, albeit nowadays parents probably question/are more paranoid so ASK more and listen to their children?

Ontop of all this (and the sad part) is those innocent teachers who have immature, spiteful children making complaints purely to land the teacher in trouble. That is the sad part (for me).

A few possible offences:

Section 2 Child abduction (by person not connected to child).
Carries max 7 years.

Abuse of position of trust, S.16 Sexual Offences Act.
Carries max 5 years

Various sexual activity with a child offences depending on whether penetration occurred but typically carrying max 14yrs.

Section 15 grooming (meeting with intention of sexual activity) carries max 10 years.

A previous poster is half-right in that a child under 13 cannot consent. Sex with a 14/15yr old girl who consented is sexual activity with a child, sex with a girl under 13 is rape as she cannot give consent in law.

BBC News have interviewed a woman who had an affair with a teacher and ‘became seriously anorexic for 10 years’ as [part of] the negative fall out.

I guess if I keep watching I will see the interview with someone (in the interests of balance) who fell in love with their teacher, got married, stayed in love, and is still happily married?

… but that wouldn’t be very sensational would it?