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  • Mathieu van der Poel Olympic Crash: He Didn’t Know Ramp Had Been Removed
  • kelvin
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    It was exciting viewing… and so damn fast!

    ayjaydoubleyou
    Full Member

    it’s becoming a more appealing watch than downhill or enduro.

    theres a draw to side by side racing that time trial format cannot match, no matter how much Rob screams “look at the time” an overtake is always more interesting.

    franksinatra
    Full Member

    I think I am a bit in love with Neff.

    markgraylish
    Free Member

    Whoever designed or signed off that course is a genius. That ramp/drop has generated a hell of a lot of media coverage and chat!

    Even in the damp women’s race, most of the top riders were sending it. Kudos!

    theotherjonv
    Full Member

    I’m no riding god and I’m sure I’d think different if it was me riding it but I’m not sure that drop is as hard as it looks.

    There seemed to be a good run in and out and the downslope is almost the perfect same shape as the parabolic flight you’d get by riding off it at an appropriate speed. As long as you don’t nosedive to the flat bit (MVDP style, or as Neff was forced to do by PFP) then it’s well within the capability of Olympic MTBers, or if it isn’t then as I said before there are B and C lines. It doesn’t then really matter how much you clear the landing lip by, the slope will catch you almost perfectly.

    The line of flight on the pic of the previous page wouldn’t touch the ramp, to use that in practice you’d have to be going substantially slower than ‘race pace’ and so as someone said before I think it was there so that anyone that has an ‘oh shit’ moment in practice doesn’t then have a crash that puts them out. I can see that then taking it out before race day enables people to practise ‘properly’, but I’m not sure it would really, riding at the right speed I’d bet you can’t see the ramp over the edge of the drop.

    It was same course designer as London and that too had a couple of blind drops (I had the chance to ride it a few months after) – we were coached and looked at the obstacles before riding and several weren’t technically that hard but were built in a way to **** with your head – looking like drops into the abyss but after you looked at them you could see they were just a small gap that frankly you’d have to almost try to NOT clear.

    eg: here at 0:23

    RamseyNeil
    Free Member

    MVP is one of the most skillfull bike riders in the world . Why would he choose to slow down and roll that rock jump even if the ramp had been there ? That would cause him to lose momentum and time when he is quite capable of jumping it like all the rest of the field .

    LS
    Free Member

    Because on lap one when everyone’s in a big group elbow to elbow and it’s a bit nervy it can be the safe option while the race settles down. If one of the riders in front had stalled, fallen, whatever, it gives you more options to avoid them and not lose time or crash yourself. Same as using the B lines on lap one to avoid traffic jams.

    trail_rat
    Free Member

    MVP is one of the most skillfull bike riders in the world . Why would he choose to slow down and roll that rock jump even if the ramp had been there

    dunno but the evidence he did so is backed up by a video of him doing so and subsequent photos of it going wrong ….

    He did it that wasnt ever in dispute – its his supposed reason for doing it thats doubtful….

    rickmeister
    Full Member

    Neff and PFP do have previous form. Cyclocross 2018. Neff breaks elbow and collarbone…

    13thfloormonk
    Full Member

    Yeah… but that just looks like a crash as opposed to anything nefarious or dangerous, rider on high line can’t hold the high line, loses front wheel, drifts down into rider on low line. Not sure how she could have avoided it really. Nasty though.

    ooOOoo
    Free Member

    I’m with you markgraylish, that course was ace. A mountain bike race in 2021 should require full sus and a dropper, and this one did. I’d watch a lot more xc if it’s like this. What a great day for British mountain biking.

    As for the drop, the dude just messed up. Extra respect to Pidcock for not running him over.

    “Mathieu van der Poel, another of the pre-race favourites, pulled out after the fifth lap having crashed heavily early on. “He went in super slow and I backed off because I knew that wasn’t going to end well,” Pidcock said.”

    thols2
    Free Member

    that just looks like a crash as opposed to anything nefarious or dangerous

    Yeah, I can’t really see why anyone would try to do this deliberately.

    wipperman95
    Free Member

    He’ll be back – his wins are often spectacular, and so are his disappointments. According to Wielerflits he may aim to bounce back at the MTB Worlds in Val di Sole – it wouldn’t be a huge surprise if he won both the XCC & XCO World titles…as Pidcock will be at the Vuelta.

    https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/mathieu-van-der-poel-gaat-via-wk-mountainbike-naar-wk-op-de-weg/

    finbar
    Free Member

    MVP is one of the most skillfull bike riders in the world . Why would he choose to slow down and roll that rock jump even if the ramp had been there ? That would cause him to lose momentum and time when he is quite capable of jumping it like all the rest of the fiel

    Looked like he was going to pump down the ramp to me (hence nosediving so hard), which might not have been all that much slower maybe…?

    ayjaydoubleyou
    Full Member

    A mountain bike race in 2021 should require full sus and a dropper,

    100% agree. If riders (professional or grass roots) don’t like that, they can go to CX – which many of the subjects of this thread also race successfully.

    kerley
    Free Member

    What a load of nonsense. If I want to enter an XC race on a hard-tail with no dropper that is up to me.

    ayjaydoubleyou
    Full Member

    If I may backtrack a bit – a full suspension with a dropper should be the ‘ideal solution’ to such a race, rather than mandatory.

    Obviously there isn’t anything stopping you (although they may have something to say about your dropped bar fixed gear) but it should be an equipment disadvantage.

    One that might be overcome at the amateur by having significantly more skill than your competitors.

    finbar
    Free Member

    ignore

    DenDennis
    Free Member

    MVP is one of the most skillfull bike riders in the world . Why would he choose to slow down and roll that rock jump even if the ramp had been there ? That would cause him to lose momentum and time when he is quite capable of jumping it like all the rest of the fiel

    Looked like he was going to pump down the ramp to me (hence nosediving so hard), which might not have been all that much slower maybe…?

    Interesting points.
    to add, if he had meant to pump, why would he end up sort of half-jumping it?

    Also consider that the women knew it would be in place and many of them effectively did the jump direct to the rocks on landing missing out the ramp anyway.
    So rather than anything shady, did VdP just get caught between pumping and jumping and just mess it up? or does it look like he was trying to pump it and ended up pumping thin air?

    franksinatra
    Full Member

    So rather than anything shady, did VdP just get caught between pumping and jumping and just mess it up? or does it look like he was trying to pump it and ended up pumping thin air?

    Or alternately you could just say that he fell off and was therefore not the best rider on the day and did not win as a result.

    intheborders
    Free Member

    What a load of nonsense. If I want to enter an XC race on a hard-tail with no dropper that is up to me.

    And if you’re not able to ride the main lines, take the chicken-lines instead.

    qwerty
    Free Member

    I heard that the ramp control on his fork failed.

    sparksmcguff
    Full Member

    MvP mis-judged. Did he mean to jump it? Did he mean to roll it? Form his socials I’d say it was a moment of indecision that even he isn’t sure of. No mystery, no conspiracy. The guy’s human.

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