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So in summary, crap parents have contributed to disappearance or death of child and we should keep paying year on year for their error?

It’s a crock of 💩

Yeah they were asking for it really, weren’t they?

FFS. 😡

Not at all but c’mon the public should not have to fund this latest “search”.

Yeah they were asking for it really, weren’t they?

It is a waste of money though. Are there really some new leads worth spending this cash on?

Couldnt it be better spent on other missing persons searches?

Leaving aside everything else about the parents should the fact they were good at working with the press really mean money should keep being spent on it? Sure if they had some good new lead or some DNA worth investigating but as I understand it they have absolute bugger all.

I can’t see there being any form of closure in this which is acceptable to all but the time has now come to end any further public funding, The parents must accept that the chance of any worthwhile information coming from this is vanishingly small. The additional funding won’t buy much investigatory support. The whole subject has been subject to past threads so there’s not much more to say – other than the level of support the McCann’s have had will build an expectation that any other parents in a similar situation will receive substantial support – and certain sections of the print media will take up their cause.

So what’s the scale of human empathy here exactly?

For me, a missing child is a horrific thing for any parent to have to suffer.

Where does my empathy end? About 10 years and 10 million ago.

I wouldn’t care if her parents had committed genocide, it wasn’t her fault and an appropriate effort to find her should have been made.

The case has been massively disproportional compared to other missing children cases, the likelihood of finding her fit and well now is near zero, yet millions has been spent, millions that could have been spent finding children who could be found if only the police had the resources in this age of austerity. The McCanns get ‘special treatment’ because they’ve got the profile and ‘the fund’ to cause a big stink of they don’t get their way.

My personal opinion is that at the very least, to avoid being accused of negligence they aggressively and ruthlessly attacked anyone who dares to speak ill of them in the public domain.

And no, I wouldn’t leave my 3 small kids to sleep in a ground floor apartment and go drinking with my friends for 3 hours it was a stupid and selfish thing

My Mum used to leave me outside the house in the pram. Of course that was safe back then we were 50 miles from Manchester and Saddleworth Moor.

Well my Mum used to leave me outside the pub in the pram and we were 2 miles from Saddleworth moor.

My mum left me outside co-op in corporation street – only prob was she didn’t realise until she got home 😄

GrahamS, lets just take the stance that the parents don’t know anything at all about what happened.

so, if they were at the hotel room with their children, not in a restaurant/bar with their friends, would Maddie be alive?

I personally take fatherhood as a responsibility. It is judgemental from me, but yes the parents have a level of responsibility and culpability.

And no I don’t believe the tax payer would be paying for a working class missing person case. This isn’t unique, but what is unique is the amount of tax payer money that has been used.

I don’t believe the parents were asking for it. But if they didn’t do it, if they didn’t leave their toddlers at home to go drinking with friends, then their child could well be alive.

That’s 50 extra front line police for 4 years salary and contributions eaten up there in funding.

There’s a couple of petitions on Change.org if you wish to object.

I was listening to this girl’s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charlene_Downes mother on the radio a couple of weeks ago. It struck me how different these two cases were dealt with.<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”> </span>

<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>It took the police 6 months to even start investigating her disappearance.   Working class, troubled not worth investigating.  Messed up two trials, probably never bring the culprits to justice.</span>

Middle class, doctors as parents, pretty girl £11 million still no leads.

For the record, I don’t think additional funding is warranted, and I think leaving their kids alone was a terrible decision.

However, I despair at the people saying that it was the parent’s “fault” that she was kidnapped/killed.  It wasn’t….. the only person responsible was the person who kidnapped/killed her.

If you believe that Maddie was killed/kidnapped by a third party (which I don’t btw), then that person must have targeted her and have been watching/waiting for an opportunity to kidnap her.  If it hadn’t have been then, it would have been at the beach/playground, whatever.

I think it was the mum.

There’s no evidence MM was abducted. Seems to me she just woke, wandered out of the apartment as 3yos tend to do, fell in a hole in one of the building sites around the area or somesuch. In the morning cement gets poured in and that’s it.

A lot of people were saying similar for years about Ben Needham and it turned out to be, most likely, true.

Accidents are common – murdering peados are rare. Accidents don’t sell papers though, peados do.

I have 2 questions around this case.

1. Why have the parents ever been charged with child abandonment at the very least?

2. When did the Mets jurisdiction extend to Portugal? The only reason I can see is because the Portuguese keep coming back to the parents as their main suspect

It is clear that the McCanns are very well connected and have made an awful lot of money out of this crime

1. Why have the parents ever been charged with child abandonment at the very least?

I suspect because they’re suffering enough and because as a deterrent to others the loss offf a 3yo is more powerful than a fine/short prison sentence.

2. When did the Mets jurisdiction extend to Portugal?

That’s a pretty good point. What has it got to do with the Met?

It is clear that the McCanns are very well connected

And it is clear that a lot of people seem to resent them for this.

I agree that the case absolutely has had disproportionate publicity and funding.. but I can hardly blame the parents for that.

When would you give up if it was your child? Would you honestly decide not to use your connections because it might be seen as a bit “unfair”?

Stop talking about this, you’re supposed to be distracted by Brexit!!

At this rate someone will mention the Gaspar Statement…

“When would you give up if it was your child?”

Wouldn’t have been and never was an issue. We didn’t ever leave our 3 year old daughter alone, 100 meters up the road while we went for a drink nor left her upstairs on her own in the hotel room while we went down stairs to have some food. Not until she was a surly teenager who would rather stay in than be seen with her parents anyway.

By leaving your child in the hotel room while you go for food, you are placing your child at a heightened risk of misadventure. That’s your choice. *Most parents would deem that risk too high. That’s why most parents don’t do it.

*At least this would appear to be the case.

No parent would disagree that losing a child must be the worst thing that can happen, worse than losing a parent or sibling or friend, especially when there’s no body and hence a suspicion that your child is suffering in some way. In those circumstances I bet no parent would be willing to give up the search or turn down any offer of help. In the McCann case I think there was a lingering suspicion that the child had been stolen to order by professionals and that this could be the tip of a very big iceberg, which is why I think so much money was spent on the case. It’s my belief that she was taken somewhere where fair-skinned children would be very much prized like the Gulf or Africa and that by now she is so completely indoctrinated that there’s no chance of her escaping or making herself known, unless something unforseen happens like a house fire and somebody asks questions.

That’s a pretty good point. What has it got to do with the Met?

UK police will often aid a foreign investigation if help is requested, or conduct their own investigation if local plod are incompetent/corrupt – which is good IMO although I also think if you choose to go abroad somewhere where the police/justice system is a bit shit then you’ve made a rod for your own back to some extent.

Dark skinned people stealing white children really is the most racist of tropes

In the McCann case I think there was a lingering suspicion that the child had been stolen to order by professionals and that this could be the tip of a very big iceberg, which is why I think so much money was spent on the case. It’s my belief that she was taken somewhere where fair-skinned children would be very much prized like the Gulf or Africa

Which is obvs quite a well known occurrence and outcome. Why  would you go to Portugal to steal a fair skinned child?

“I agree that the case absolutely has had disproportionate publicity and funding.. but I can hardly blame the parents for that.”

I think you can – they could have called a halt to the whole charade years ago.

Wouldn’t it be great if this extra cash pulled in the one piece of evidence that was enough to convict them.

Wouldn’t it be great if this extra cash pulled in the one piece of evidence that was enough to convict them.

tinfoil hat on – that is one explanation for the continued funding. Someone high-up is convinced they did it, and doesn’t want to let them get away with it. Obviously they cannot even suggest it until there is proof.

GrahamS – are you trying to play Devils Advocate or do you have links to them?

Interesting theory that… would it tie in with these facts?

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2015/06/20-facts-about-disappearance-of.html

The blog above provides the other side of the story seldom reported in the media and as such isn’t entirely neutral, however, I encourage anyone to thoroughly fact check everything stated in the link, as in this day and age, it’s hard to know who to trust.

FYI, this is how the media like the portray Working Class people who leave their kids to go socialising.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6176619/british-couple-arrested-abandoning-kids-majorca-holiday-hotel/

If they’d have been quaffing Pouilly-Fumé it’d be alright as that would fit in with the McCann’s narrative.

Crap parents are crap parents irrespective of social class

GrahamS – are you trying to play Devils Advocate or do you have links to them?

Neither. and I’ve already said I think the case has received disproportionate funding and media attention.

I am just disgusted by the number of people expressing variations of “It’s their own fault. What did they expect, leaving their three kids asleep 60 metres away in a locked room while they had dinner? Obviously they are going to get murdered.”

Whatever you think of their parenting, it was not their fault. It was the fault of whoever abducted or killed the child. No one else.

Even if you think it was “child abandonment”, that shouldn’t be a death sentence and doesn’t make them any less deserving of justice.

FYI, this is how the media like the portray Working Class people who leave their kids to go socialising.

I’ve been to a fairly wide variety of places on holiday. I’ve been in the Alps and seen quite young kids skiing apparently unaccompanied. I’ve been to caravan parks and seen unsupervised kids running feral at midnight while the adults sit in the bar and play bingo. Neither is ideal. People are not perfect.

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GrahamS – are you trying to play Devils Advocate or do you have links to them?

or just a coincidence in the Nationality and career of partners.

Disappointed in the justification

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IMO leaving your kids in the hotel room is not good, never mind in a restaurant that is not in the same building.

I would never call my self a good parent, just a parent but is a having a meal uninterrupted really worth the risk?

And what was acceptable in the good old days leaving prams in street is totally irrelevant now.

what was acceptable in the good old days leaving prams in street is totally irrelevant now.

That picture was from now. It is common practise is some countries.

Whatever you think of their parenting, it was not their fault. It was the fault of whoever abducted or killed the child. No one else.

Proof of needed for that statement, unless you are a supporter of the McCanns obvz..

Thanks

HRH

I don’t know a great deal about the case and do have empathy for the parents. However, to those saying it’s the fault of the abducter or the killer, is there definitive proof for either of those two scenarios? Is it not possible that the child wandered off and was involved in a tragic accident?

 Is it not possible that the child wandered off and was involved in a tragic accident?

The fault of the child then? (since most have it that the parents aren’t culpable).

 Is it not possible that the child wandered off

From a locked bedroom?

From a locked bedroom?

Locks usually stop people coming in not going out.

Was never left outside a shop as a toddler, because of….

Of course that was safe back then we were 50 miles from Manchester and Saddleworth Moor.

This.

I’d like to see a resolution to this, if only for her parents.

Wasn’t there something about a shutter that was supposedly damaged by someone trying to break in?