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  • Lord of the rings trilogy………….??
  • badblood
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    I read the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant when I was 17 – great series of books

    Also try the Warlock series by Christopher Stasheff

    and Magician by Raymon E Feist

    I also like Terry Pratchett' Discworld and Terry Brooks' Shanharra series

    simonfbarnes
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    Must admit to having read most of the material (silmarilion etc) multiple times

    really ? I found that turgid. I want a proper story.

    timdrayton
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    goblins are just orcs, there are different breeds of orcs (those coming from Moria etc) as there are different types of elf (orcs were originally elves that had nasty things done to them).

    I could go on, and on…..

    the stephen donaldson books were good but lacked the depth of history that tolkien had (if you are into that sort of thing).

    it really is quite scary how much of a detailed universe and history he created, from creation onwards with countless intertwining histories of all the different races, their languages etc.

    finally some disturbingly geeky suggestions on why the eagles/legolas didnt fire and forget…..

    1) it would have made a shit story
    2) Gandolf was a higher being, as were Sauron, Saruman, the Balrogs etc. Thw War Of the Rings was supposedly a long planned game of chess between Gandolf and Sauron, in which Gandolf could not directly use the ring, or allow it to be used by anyone/thing powerful enough to properly use it. So Elves, Eagles (which were very high animals close to the Valar (godlike beings)) were out.
    3) It did kind of make poetic sense that the little hobbits overlooked by everyone, had the inner strength to remain uncorrupted…..

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    simonfbarnes
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    It did kind of make poetic sense that the little hobbits overlooked by everyone, had the inner strength to remain uncorrupted…..

    not exactly – Frodo did actually succumb to the ring at the last moment only for the day to be inadvertently saved by none other than Gollum!

    Drac
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    Love the films of course it's full of flaws what film isn't they are great entertainment.

    lowey
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    The book is epic. A work of such breath taking detail and fantasy.

    Films are a great representation also.

    MrWoppit
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    Notable minority of female characters.

    Interesting that the most memorable was a man-eating monster that lived at the end of a long, dark sticky tunnel… I think Tolkien had issues there, don't you?

    The greatest film ever made was "Eraserhead".

    ton
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    liv made up for it in the film…….

    simonfbarnes
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    Arwen, Eowyn and Galadriel are all strong characters

    robgarrioch
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    If you liked those films, just wait till 'The Hobbit' ones come out – being split into 2 parts, so hopefully they'll be pretty close to the book. Plus Guillermo Del Toro's directing, Peter Jackson producing…
    The grip of 'Pans Labyrinth' + budget of 'LOTR'.. as long as Del Toro doesn't take his Hollywood head out (Hellboy 2 anyone?) they ought to be fantastic.

    simonfbarnes
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    just wait till 'The Hobbit' ones come out – being split into 2 parts

    interesting in that LOTR 1..3 stacks up nearly 3" thick in the combined volume yet The Hobbit is only 1/2"…

    Scienceofficer
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    How lord of the rings should have ended.

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    Drac
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    The grip of 'Pans Labyrinth'

    Grip like grease if you ask me,I forced my way through it.

    ton
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    i liked pans labrynth too…….creepy

    waihiboy
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    great films, the 3rd one dragged on a bit though. but im terrible in the cinema if a film is over 2 hours long…

    uponthedowns
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    +1 for Pan's Labyrinth although my Missus hated it. Think that the juxtaposition of the fantasy world with the Spanish Civil war is too much for some. Did she really imagine it all………..

    ransos
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    Point of order: it's one book in three volumes, not a trilogy.

    IGMC

    ski
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    I am waiting for the Blu Ray release, whenever that will be 😉

    NZCol
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    1) I rode my bike around in Rivendell (illegaly) a few months back – lovely singletrack in there
    2) They've started on the Hobbit down the road, i can see them…

    GW
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    samuri
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    hmmm, in the hobbit he makes the distinction that goblins carry weapons different to those carried by orcs.

    simonfbarnes
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    in the hobbit he makes the distinction that goblins carry weapons different to those carried by orcs.

    so it's like MTBers and roadies ??

    mrmichaelwright
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    Fantastic books

    Amazing films

    If you want to get really geeky about it, read the Silmarillion which is the history of the previous age of middle earth.

    It is VERY hard going and i've read the lord of the rings loads of times!

    GrahamS
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    Surely the reason that they didn't just send the ring with Legolas riding on one of the giant Eagles of Manwë is that the eagles were only able to approach Mordor after Sauron was destroyed.

    If they'd gone in before the Eye of Sauron would have seen them and he'd have launched Ye Magical Surface-To-Air arrow bombe.

    GrahamS
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    Incidentally there is a ridiculous amount of information about the LotR universe on Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saruman
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandalf

    gonefishin
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    On the whole eagle thing, from what I remember from the books was that the eagles had been hunted/persecuted by men and possibly elves and as such weren't exactly predisposed to helping with something that wasn't there problem. An example of this was the comments made by the eagle that resuced Gandalf from Saruman's tower.

    I'm sure it is covered in the council of Elrond along with chucking it in the sea and giving it to Tom Bombadil.

    noteeth
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    Loved the books as a kid – read LoTR once a year for about seven years running. Numerous English teachers were then forced to deal with lengthy, pseudo-Tolkien creative writing epics (I hope you are reading this, Tangent).

    Really enjoyed the first film (building up to the superbly done fight scene at the end – though, again, the film takes liberties with the original plot & sequence). Wasn't so bothered about the following two.

    BTW, might just be me, but I always hear the Urak-Hai shout "find the half-link…". Snapped yer chain, mate? 😀

    llama
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    At the start there is no alliance between eagles and the other races. A big theme is 'we can win if we all work together' with alliances being re-made between men/other men/elf/dwarf/ghosts/eagle/ent as the story converges in the last book.

    llama
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    The film missed out one of my favourite bits where they return to the Shire and shit all over Sauramon. But I guess it would have been 8 hours long with that in and having him impaled on a spike was much easier.

    GrahamS
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    stilltortoise
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    Loved these films at the cinema but couldn't help thinking it was 9 hours of fighting interspersed with not an awful lot. Do the books have more plot and depth?

    chakaping
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    And they legitimise smoking drugs

    Because you need to be stoned to enjoy them?

    Forget the extended version, they could have made more money doing a condensed version.

    porterclough
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    No mention yet of World War Two or atom bomb allegory, or of the anti-modern anti-industrial arts and crafts proto-hippy outlook?

    jahwomble
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    "Do the books have more plot and depth?"

    Only if you consider interminable descriptions of imaginary folk with ludicrous made up names walking about and propounding absurd dialogue to be plot and or depth. I consider it padding and suspect he may have been paid by the word. 🙂

    mastiles_fanylion
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    Loved these films at the cinema but couldn't help thinking it was 9 hours of fighting interspersed with not an awful lot.

    What films did you see then? That doesn't sound like LotR at all.

    GrahamS
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    "Do the books have more plot and depth?"

    They have so much depth you could drown in them.

    Every single character has a huge back story. Tolkien invents several complete new languages. The entire history of the Middle Earth is covered, with lineage of all the races, going right back to the creation story of (the Middle Earth universe) by Eru Ilúvatar, the supreme being.

    Basically it is an absurdly detailed universe. That's why geeks love it.

    simonfbarnes
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    and suspect he may have been paid by the word

    he was indeed a professor of language 🙂

    imaginary folk with ludicrous made up names

    look who's talking :o)

    by Eru Ilúvatar, the supreme being.

    ie son of Skeletor…

    GrahamS
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    imaginary folk with ludicrous made up names

    I think pretty much every name means something in the books, as simon says, he was a professor of language specialising in philology.

    Scienceofficer
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    I read LOTR last year after last reading it at 11 (I'm now 35). TBH, I really enjoyed the technical use of language – Sumptious would be the word I'd choose. It was a real treat second time round.

    He was, as has been said a professor of language and the relationship with his publisher was famously difficult due to him being an awkward perfectionist who took huge amounts of time getting it exactly the way he wanted it.

    LordSummerisle
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    Point of order: it's one book in three volumes, not a trilogy.

    thought it was 6 books, published in 3 volumes? (certainly remember Return of the King having 2 distinct parts.)

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