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Liz! Truss!
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kimbersFull Member
Hours before the U-turn she was denying it
Yet another curiosity of the 45pm U-turn – it was done *after* Liz Truss did a round of ITV regional interviews, but *before* the embargo on the interviews, meaning we now get to watch a series of TV clips of the PM defending a policy she has abandoned. https://t.co/ZKiRZTLn60
— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) October 3, 2022
kelvinFull MemberWell, if they did the planning and forecasting before introducing the policy, they are hiding it very well… and if they did the planning and coordination before removing the policy, they’re sure hiding that as well. Still… bodes will for the next two years, doesn’t it. Just keep winging it…
binnersFull MemberWell they did say that they were going to try a new approach, free from economic orthodoxy
It seems they settled on the ‘**** it! let’s just do it and see what happens…’ theory
I can’t understand why, with the livelihoods of tens of millions of people at stake, nobodies tried it before
ernielynchFull Memberhttps://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/liz-truss-must-avoid-populism-and-plan-long-term
Well that’s one piece of advice that Liz Truss appears to have heeded, avoiding populism, as opinion polls showing Labour leads of over thirty percent testify.
kelvinFull MemberReferring to higher education?
By populism, they are probably meaning stuff like…
"The current system would rather our young people get a degree in Harry Potter studies, than in construction," says Higher Education Minister Andrea Jenkyns, who says that universities are feeding students "a diet of critical race theory, anti British history and Social Marxism." pic.twitter.com/rcaBnqOLxd
— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) October 3, 2022
binnersFull MemberIt’s like they’ve asked the sort of people who phone in to Jeremy Vine if they’d like to form a government?
kelvinFull Memberfrom that…
Deputy Labour leader Angela Rayner said: “These comments show just how out of touch with reality Liz Truss’s Tories are.
“Jake Berry thinks people consigned to low pay can simply magically upgrade to a higher wage job. This is a Tory crisis, created in Downing Street, paid for by working people.”👏🏼
tomhowardFull MemberAh, been a while since Ms Jenkyns, my MP, did/said something stupid. Must be over a month now, was getting worried.
PrinceJohnFull MemberNo wonder they are attacking the Universities – they encourage critical thinking. Last thing they want.
scratchFree MemberI thought the skill in being a politician (if you were inclined to go down this road) was to get this stuff past the public without anyone really noticing – not write and publish a book about it and then 3 weeks after becoming PM start acting it all out page by page
That and the skill of reading the room
Both of these seem to have absolutely past her by so with those two concepts not in the back pocket I don’t hold out any hope for her to last more than months, if that.
kimbersFull MemberBounce still on the rebound
Labour leads by 28%, largest lead for ANY party that we've recorded.
Westminster Voting Intention (2 Oct):
Labour 52% (+6)
Conservative 24% (-5)
Liberal Democrat 10% (-3)
Green 5% (+1)
SNP 5% (+2)
Reform UK 3% (-1)
Other 1% (–)Changes +/- 28-29 Septhttps://t.co/z5wS2ELumR pic.twitter.com/9bPMetX4fm
— Redfield & Wilton Strategies (@RedfieldWilton) October 3, 2022
kimbersFull MemberAnother
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 50% (+7)
CON: 25% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-1)
GRN: 3% (-1)via @SavantaComRes, 30 Sep – 02 Octhttps://t.co/D2dC4XFBdt
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) October 3, 2022
breatheeasyFree MemberI mean, this all would be hilarious if they weren’t actually in power and causing such grief for people.
What are your choices as a Tory MP at moment? Just admit you’re likely out of a job in two years and keep your head down, or get rid of her now knowing that that must mean a general election and you’re out on your ear within months? This is your only chance I’d guess for a while to really get rid of her, voting against the mini budget (which is effectively a vote of no confidence). If she gets through this (and I can’t see Kwasi staying long) then its likely to wipe out the party cdomletely (thankfully).
versesFull MemberWestminster voting intention
Thicko question… What’s the significance of Westminster’s intentions?
Is it considered a good barometer of the rest of the country, or is it just a consistent benchmark to refer to? Or have I misunderstood the term altogether?
breatheeasyFree MemberWestminster = the UK parliament rather than Scottish parliament. So basically the general election overall, not just people who live in Westminster
kimbersFull MemberWe definitely underestimated her.
I’m surprised that it’s happened so quickly, but i had faith that she’d balls it all up.
What I still can’t get my head round is that the Tory membership elected her in the first place, I was convinced that pragmatism would win out
kimbersFull MemberThese numbers are just silly
Ouch! Tories down to 17 seats and the SNP being the official opposition… pic.twitter.com/DpBMqGzyYw
— Ahmer Wadee (@ahmerwadee) October 3, 2022
How long before the leadership election
breatheeasyFree MemberWhat I still can’t get my head round is that the Tory membership elected her in the first place, I was convinced that pragmatism would win out
Boris continuation vote IMHO. Genuienely think they think he was doing okay apart from the party thing. I don’t know if they resented Sunak because he was involved in bringing BJ down (in their minds anyway) or they are all basically racist. I’m guessing the former but not convinced.
kelvinFull MemberYup, Truss made a big thing about being loyal to the man who’s never been loyal to anyone else.
PM, Radio4… about to do a panel with Tory members… so let’s see what they say…
“strength and humbleness”
“real character”
“doing the right thing”
“we can now put all this extraneous noise to one side”versesFull MemberWestminster = the UK parliament rather than Scottish parliament. So basically the general election overall, not just people who live in Westminster
Thanks
stumpyjonFull MemberIsn’t Jake Berry delightful?
He isn’t known as Jake the Snake for nothing, my local MP, a real career politician.
MrOvershootFull Memberscratch
I thought the skill in being a politician (if you were inclined to go down this road) was to get this stuff past the public without anyone really noticing – not write and publish a book about it and then 3 weeks after becoming PM start acting it all out page by page
That and the skill of reading the room
Both of these seem to have absolutely past her by so with those two concepts not in the back pocket I don’t hold out any hope for her to last more than months, if that.
Well put
It’s utterly baffling that someone has had a supposedly good education and worked in industry can be so stupid! I would love to find out what here former colleges at Shell really thought of her?
I mean we knew bungling Boris was a grade A Flute with no morals and only out for himself & his mates, but he did it with the charm of the school idiot while going about it. You knew he was playing a part in screwing us over while quoting Latin and trying to be a statesman & to a degree it worked as we laughed at it and some worshipped at his alter.
But Truss is just a train wreck, I have a few acquaintances who are of the Blue voting persuasion and they fully admit that the future of their party is bleak and will probably sink further yet as the in fighting continues. They even admit that if Labour are in power then all the cock ups their government created will be used against Labour as though they were the cause! by the incumbents.
I have done OK in life & seethe with rage at those that just say “I’m alright Jack” I’ve helped out my nephews & nieces where I can. I seem to be the guarantor for 3 of them on their property!
I’ve heard that people become more right wing as they get older? Not in my case, I have become much more Left leaning & I guess that’s from life experiences.
Sorry for the ramble, I’m finding things very upsetting these days 🙁
scotroutesFull MemberI’ve heard that people become more right wing as they get older? Not in my case
The issue here is that the Tories are moving right faster than anyone can keep up with.
faddaFull MemberI’ve heard that people become more right wing as they get older? Not in my case, I have become much more Left leaning & I guess that’s from life experiences
This is me, too, I’m also quite upset about the last decade or so, particularly…
nickcFull MemberAfter today’s performances, I think it’s probably dawning on Truss and Kwarteng about now that every policy announcement that is unpopular with the public is going to be challenged on air by Tory MPs in the expectation that it’s going to be ether reversed before getting to a vote, or risk being voted down in parliament. The Truss PM-ship dead on arrival
MoreCashThanDashFull MemberI’ve heard that people become more right wing as they get older? Not in my case, I have become much more Left leaning & I guess that’s from life experiences.
Definitely me too. My family did OK when I was growing up in the Thatcher years. It was only when my world view was expanded as I moved away and worked with more vulnerable communities that I saw the other side of the coin, and moved to Liberal, then Labour, and now anyone but Tory.
MrOvershootFull Memberscotroutes
The issue here is that the Tories are moving right faster than anyone can keep up with.
You have a good point there, my In Laws who get the Daily Mail once a week have an almost Labour view of things these days
fadda
This is me, too, I’m also quite upset about the last decade or so, particularly…
That’s very much my experience, after the brexit vote I had colleagues with young children in tears at what had been taken away from kids.
I also was absolutely raging and still am at what my late wife was put through with the PIP “bit of a mess” not what I really said. Never have I felt so angry in my life ever, the people that tried to mow me down with their cars mattered not one jot in comparison.
The utterly contemptible shits that came up with the PIP system deserve to suffer. I won’t go into detail suffice to say its a system designed to screw you over.
Subjecting someone with Primary Progressive Multiple Sclerosis that had been given a lifetime higher rate mobility and care award with utterly loaded ridiculous questions is beyond evil.
tjagainFull MemberYup. My pal with NSwho couldn’t walk and had significant cognitive impairment was found fit to work and her benefits stopped. Reinstated on appeal as they usually are.
The system is designed to make you give up and stop claiming and has cost loads of lives. Its deliberately cruel
kimbersFull MemberYup
#Newsnight
?? pic.twitter.com/7AjBfoless— Michael (@noddingoff123) October 3, 2022
PoopscoopFull MemberThe PIP system….
I’ve had first hand and indirect experience of that over the years.
It’s amazingly cruel by design and relies on tricks and simply wearing claimants down to the point they give up.
It’s a despicably cruel system.
I won’t even go into the utter contempt the government stow by expecting people with complex mental and or physical problems trying to explain them to what are in the vast majority of cases are physio therapists.
Yes, physio therapists. Most doctors/nurses etc won’t go near the system for obvious reasons.
Sorry to go ot.
dyna-tiFull MemberListening today to Mr Kwarteng saying the reversal was “The right thing to do” ,I was hoping one of the interviewers would put him on the spot and ask Why was it the right thing to do?, them follow up any answer with, Why did you do it in the first place then?.
The PIP system….
I’ve had first hand and indirect experience of that over the years.
It’s amazingly cruel by design and relies on tricks and simply wearing claimants down to the point they give up.
It’s a despicably cruel system.
I won’t even go into the utter contempt the government stow by expecting people with complex mental and or physical problems trying to explain them to what are in the vast majority of cases are physio therapists.
Yes, physio therapists. Most doctors/nurses etc won’t go near the system for obvious reasons.
Sorry to go on.
Oh feel free. 🙂
I’ve been put through this a few times. The first time they actually lied and changed what I’d told them, which went then to tribunal. My tribunal against the DWP was over in under 5 minutes, and they ruled against the dwp and atos.
The second interview- or ‘medical showtrial’ as its best described, I was pretty peeved by the previous, and explained to the Autism carer who accompanied me that the ‘doctor’, who was sitting opposite, and i referred to in the third person, was little better than one of Dr Mengele’s assistants and should in my opinion be treated the same.
They stopped that medical there and then after only a few minutes and I’ve not heard from them since. I think in all fairness had it gone on i’d have grabbed them by the throat.
mattyfezFull MemberReading these last few posts really hurt me, that I’m a UK citizen.
We are surely better than this?
It’s beyond ignorance, it seems like really evil.
And I don’t use the word ‘evil’ lightly.
crazy-legsFull MemberHow long before the leadership election
I thought there was some sort of rule that once a new leader was in place there couldn’t be another leadership election for a year?
At this point it’s irrelevant anyway, it’s simply rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The whole party is corrupt and rotten to the core.
PoopscoopFull MemberI’ve been put through this a few times. The first time they actually lied and changed what I’d told them, which went then to tribunal. My tribunal against the DWP was over in under 5 minutes, and they ruled against the dwp and atos.
I could have typed that, right down to the ATOS bit… Now known as IAS, of course as the brand became so toxic.
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