Liz! Truss!

They either reflect someone who is there to vote on their convictions, or they reflect someone who is there to tow the Party line – however morally bankrupt – in order to keep their job.

Either way, it hardly reflects well on Stewart.

That’s politics though isn’t it?

Give way on some issues so you can keep your job and possibly do some good in other areas that you are more committed to.

Stewart couldn’t cope with the contrdictions thus he quit

That wasn’t the question posed.

Name a single tory policy that does not act to concentrate wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy?

Those two replies did actually answer the question as written. Granted, it was pretty obvious that that the intent of the question related to financial policies and the redistribution of wealth upwards, problem was with the question not the answers.

Stewart couldn’t cope with the contrdictions thus he quit

He didn’t quit, he was fired. Probably because he was a Remainer. Precisely the same reason why he’s the darling of other staunch Remainers, regardless of him being every bit as appalling as other Tory MPS.

Fired not Resigned

problem was with the question not the answers.

Yup.

Stewart couldn’t cope with the contrdictions thus he quit

It was more that he put up with the contradictions to get himself in a position to possibly become leader, when that failed, then he packed it in.

Stewart couldn’t cope with the contrdictions thus he quit

I’m confused, he quit rather than serve Boris, surely we can all agree that is a demonstration of sticking to (some) principals?

A d as the Nuremberg trial showed “I was just following orders” is no excuse.

Godwins law I win

Except the point you just made was that he refused to follow? More Oscar Schindler than Claus Barbie?

Talking in general to about Stewart

"Liz Truss has finally broken her long painful silence with a series of short painful silences." @AngelaRayner just gets better and better.

— Sophie Heawood (@heawood) September 29, 2022

A d as the Nuremberg trial showed “I was just following orders” is no excuse.

Fun fact; “I was just following orders” (Superior orders) has been used successfully as a defence, they had to make special provision to stop the Nazi hierarchy claiming it at Nuremberg .

I’d imagine ‘Fun Facts’ of the Nuremberg Trials is a pretty short list.

Highly misleading. Water’s the wrong colour and he still has a paddle. pic.twitter.com/jTiqvB04m6

— Tim Bale (@ProfTimBale) September 29, 2022

Indeed.

I’ve just read “The Nurenberg Trail” by John and Ann Tusa. It’s a really interesting read, It’s one of those subjects where you think you know about it, but turns out it’s more fascinating than you’d expect.

The FULL hour of Liz Truss’s local radio interviews is now in one place. Enjoy in all their glory.
This media round will be studied by MPs and students for years to come.https://t.co/rKHUqg6AuD

— Paul Waugh (@paulwaugh) September 29, 2022

Rory Stewart is quite likeable.

trail monkey : He’s just another Public School, born to rule Tory with a despicable voting record on the NHS, Welfare and Tax.

The Difference with this one is that he was the right shade of Remain to beguile Centrists and make them believe that he was something else.

Thats a very simplified argument, If Rory voted against the government on such issues then he would be removed from the tory party.

Rory Stewart is quite likeable. I highly recommend The Rest is Politics podcast with him and Alistair Campbell. They’re both highly critical of the current government but with both of them there’s a bit of balance and good thoughtful conversation.

Yeah agreed, you don’t need to have the same beliefs as he does or expresses.

Still a tory tho. It shows how debased our politics has become that he seems so good and moderate

I’m not sure he is a Tory .. not the current definition but I’m not holding his upbringing and beliefs against him but I wouldn’t vote for him unless he’s the best chance against a Tory.

Its not tribalism

Its understanding that the Tories exist for one reason only. To keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy.

Yes the one nation conservatives realise they have to keep the rest content and look after them in a paternal way but no tory will ever redistribute power and wealth in any significant way.

IMHO splitting hairs to call it tribalism or not… or split tribalism into sub categories.

To keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy.

This is why it is and isn’t tribalism.
You probably have a different idea of “wealthy” than I do and I have a different idea to Rory and he probably has a different idea than Rishi.

The main tool the Tory’s use seems to be splitting the poorest classes (as in EVERYONE earns under £10-£20M a year?) from the real wealth.

He didn’t quit, he was fired. Probably because he was a Remainer. Precisely the same reason why he’s the darling of other staunch Remainers, regardless of him being every bit as appalling as other Tory MPS.

Yep its back to Bojo getting rid of anyone who didn’t wholeheartedly support Brexit,which had the unfortunate effect of draining the er ‘talent’ and leaving you with a bunch of numpties.

(Double post for some reason)

Rory Stewart is quite likeable.

Boris Johnson built his entire political career on his perceived likeability. It certainly wasn’t his competence or attention to detail.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/boris-johnson-seen-as-more-likeable-but-out-of-touch-with-ordinary-voters_n_1366668/

It’s nice to have politicians who are nice, it is however a poor reason to support them.

to get himself in a position to possibly become leader, when that failed, then he packed it in

No. He knew he had no chance of becoming leader. When he entered the leadership race, he said it was to make sure someone at the hustings was telling it as it is. Which he did. He laid out a possible way through the post Brexit chaos (that didn’t include cancelling it, by the way) that his party could take, by explaining the hard work and diplomacy (and, yes, compromises) that would be required. I didn’t agree with him as regards how to deal with the change in the status of the UK, but he was engaging with reality (including the reality that he couldn’t become leader). Since Johnson got rid of MPs refusing to back him and his “plan” (they weren’t sacked for not backing Brexit, they were sacked for not backing him and his undisclosed plan for dealing with it) they have just been dealing with each other and their close vested interests, with an increasing unwillingness to deal with the reality beyond their own internal politics, and beyond Westminster… never mind beyond the UK. Where are we up to with sorting Northern Ireland… for example… and where does that leave us as regards USA and EU politicians, markets, businesses etc?

Perhaps he was trying to position himself for the job Truss ended up “doing”… Foreign Secretary and Trade Deals… but I doubt it… not impossible though. It’s a job he could have done better than most in his party at that point… you don’t have to want the Tories to be in power to see that.

The interview with him on the other thread shows that he is a Tory, just one that is not nakedly neo-liberal. He himself says that he is more into tradition and the environment and sees himself as being more on the left wing of the party than other people.

He sounds reasonable. He’s educated. He’s seen how the world works and probably would be able to survive a coalition government somewhere like here in Sweden or Germany, but he will have no place in UK politics. Well, not for many years.

I’ve just read “The Nurenberg Trail” by John and Ann Tusa. It’s a really interesting read, It’s one of those subjects where you think you know about it, but turns out it’s more fascinating than you’d expect.

I’m hoping for sweeping berms and not too many man made wooden features.

I don’t want a Tory in charge but that’s what we have.

I’d rather Rory in charge than Liz and given the shallow pool we have to choose from, what Tory would we rather have?

I’m hoping for sweeping berms and not too many man made wooden features

I’m going to ride it on my Nuremberg Raleigh

@Rubber_Buccaneer.  well, it made me laugh 🤣

Me too 🙂

Rory Stewart seems competent….. and frankly I’d take that at the moment, regardless of the colour of the rosette they are wearing

I quite like Stewart because he seems to be about the only MP on the blue side of the houdmse not publicly auditioning for a role as a Bond villain.

Rory Stewart seems competent….. and frankly I’d take that at the moment, regardless of the colour of the rosette they are wearing

Apparently thats not good enough.

Dear god! I’ve just put that Newscast on with all her local radio interviews this morning

It’s absolutely fist-chewingly awful. She’s been invisible for 5 whole days and she re-emigres with THAT?

She’s barely sentient. The personality of a damp flannel with the empathy of a breeze block

Listen and cringe

It defies belief that someone so profoundly stupid could possibly have risen without race to be in the position she’s in

Listened to one from Lancs, where he asked her if she would go and visit a fracking site. Dead Air….

I mean, she MUST have had (I assume) the best media training available, and the best prep for those questions? She’s certainly had time to reherse

Jesus, what a car crash

I absolutely can’t wait for the ‘Room next door’ for this one…

I quite like Stewart because he seems to be about the only MP on the blue side of the houdmse not publicly auditioning for a role as a Bond villain.

he’s not been an MP since the great purge of 2019.

she re-emigres

Got my hopes up for a minute.

I mean, she MUST have had (I assume) the best media training available, and the best prep for those questions?

I hope she had Jamie waiting for her afterwards.

I hope he’s frantically working something up for Late Night Mash…

@MrMichaelSpicer What’s going on today? Have you been having microphone problems? She keeps pausing and waiting for your helpful words in her ear, and you keep leaving her hung out to dry!!!

— Kelvin Owers (@spittingcat) September 29, 2022

As for ex-Tory MPs… at least they don’t have to pretend that anything this lot are doing isn’t dangerously damaging (ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears stuff)…

‘I was a Tory MP, but Truss and Kwarteng have convinced me to vote Labour’ | Nick Boles https://t.co/OQtAcnRDxV

— Anna Turley MP ????? (@annaturley) September 29, 2022