Liz! Truss!

Would anyone be remotely surprised?

Frankly, I would be more surprised if senior people in the government were not benefiting from insider dealing. There is literally no other reason why they would pass a budget like this.

I shouted a the TV over the weekend when Kwarteng said in interview that the Government ‘are only 2 weeks in”. They are 12 years in.

It is like some bizarre dare to see just how far they can mess things up.

I guess the markets will decide whether she breaks through that and starts tunnelling.

Sterling hasn’t yet bounced up to even the crazy low level it closed at last week. Worrying.

Just keep reelecting leaders a few more round will keep them away from questions and leave noone actually governing.

This is why she was always going to be worse than Boris – she actually does work.

Love this guy’s work – I don’t how much of this is wotkable, but sweet baby jesus, I wish someone could put grown-ups in charge who would try it.

Long (long!) attempt at joined-up thinking about how the country could resolve many of its issues, revitalise democracy, return power and agency to regions, improve our economy, and transform into a green, higher-skilled nation.

(I've said some of this before – apologies)

— Russ Jones (@RussInCheshire) September 26, 2022

They couldn’t have another leadership battle, replace Liz Truss and then not call a general election, could they?

There’s no chance they’ll throw away another 2 years of power to er let the people decide.

Depends who it is. There is one person who might go for a “return of the King, last change to save democracy from the reds and the French” narrative, and try and bounce through a quick election.

Trouble is Maybo’ did that and look how it went.

Of course they could more cash. Whats to stop them?

I don’t how much of this is wotkable, but sweet baby jesus, I wish someone could put grown-ups in charge who would try it.

Yes, we should be discussing and working on those things, but they don’t, they just **** about trying to hold onto power and doing god knows what. I have no idea what they think their job should even be.

I can’t keep up with the activity on this thread but I don’t think anything about this has been posted:

The Guardian: Home Office to reopen immigration detention centres with £399m deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/26/home-office-to-reopen-immigration-detention-centres-with-399m-deal

The home secretary, Suella Braverman, has indicated she will take an even harder line on immigration than her predecessor, Priti Patel, and plans to increase the use of detention….

….Shaw said the Home Office’s new plans to reverse the decreasing use of immigration detention, which costs about £99 a night for each person, was “disappointing”.

So the use of immigration detention centres was decreasing but that will now be reversed. And Braverman will take a harder line on those seeking asylum than Priti Patel.

The thought of the Tories replacing Johnson always filled me with dread as his mostly likely replacement was always certain to be more right-wing than him, and because frankly partygate didn’t fill me with incandescent rage. But FFS how bad can it get?

As their economic policies tank they’ll have to fall farther back onto their culture war stuff like attacks on immigrants.

(Kwartang once again demonstrates his superior intellect by announcing a costed plan….. IN 2 MOMTHS TIME!, once again sending the £ tumbling)

Console yourself that Truss & co are so incompetent & already beset by scandal that it’ll be just as effective as their Rwanda plan

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I shouted a the TV over the weekend when Kwarteng said in interview that the Government ‘are only 2 weeks in”. They are 12 years in.

Of all of it, this is the thing that upsets me most, proper mix of rage and despair. On the one hand, their only mandate comes from being a continuation of the existing government. And on the other, they can openly say that they’re a completely different thing. Not just having totally different policies, but literally telling people “we are a new government”. It’s so absolutely false, and shameless, and it’ll bloody work for a load of people- and not even just tories.

You were voted in by .15% of the population. If you are a new government, then you’ve stolen the country. Which OF COURSE YOU HAVE, I know that but you can’t ****ing say it.

@molgrips

Like a Nolan film, read your post backwards, it makes perfect sense.

I have no idea what they think their job should even be.

just **** about trying to hold onto power and doing god knows what.

the tooting mp has odeyed

Where is Truss ?

She’s doing a very good job of hiding behind Kwarteng ATM

I see the man she picked to run the government is now to be paid for by the government rather than his lobbying firm , even though they’d spent days telling us this was ‘perfectly normal’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63042132

The government consist of the prime minister, the cabinet, and junior ministers (plus civil servants). When the prime minister, the cabinet, and junior ministers, are all changed it is fair to say that the government has changed imo.

It isn’t reasonable imo to say that John Major’s government was the same as as Margaret Thatcher’s government or that the government today is the same as the coalition government of 12 years ago.

The moment the Queen asked Liz Truss to form a new government there was a change of government.

There’s plenty to get angry with Kwarteng over, his technically correct remark that we have a new government isn’t one of those things.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/liz-truss-becomes-uk-prime-minister-after-queen-invites-her-to-form-new-government-41965325.html

He undoubtedly needs to be reminded that the Tories have been in government for over 12 years though.

I agree. It is a new government. However we elected the old one (or was it the one before?) so either the ‘new’ government should continue with the same mandate as the old one which includes owning the problems it created, or if there’s a policies pivot then seek a new mandate.

May not have been the intent at the time, but this feels almost like a bait and switch outcome.

The moment the Queen asked Liz Truss to form a new government there was a change of government

Change of Government? Get a grip. Liz Truss has been a cabinet minister for the past ten years! She didn’t come from nowhere. She was foreign secretary. Allegedly. She signed off on all the shit she’s presently trying to distance herself from

It’s the same selection of useless, right-wing Brexiteer ghouls, including Kwatang, sat around the cabinet table as before. Liz just rearranged the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Change of Government? Get a grip.

Yeah me and all the news providers who reported that the Queen had asked Truss to form a new government, including your favourite one the Guardian, need to “get a grip”.

The only person who seems to know what they are talking about is you binners.

Out with the old, in with the old.

New government? Sticking lipstick on a ****ing pig! 🙄

Load of bollocks from Truss and Kwartang – “We don’t comment on market movements” they effing caused it! if affects US, our bills, our mortgages, our businesses.

Need better than that.

Believing this is a ‘new’ government is a bit like believing that The Queen could have chosen not to ask her to form one.

Or believing that this is the same government is a bit like believing that the prime minister, the cabinet, and all the junior ministers, are the same as before.

And that the economic policies outlined in the mini budget are exactly the same as the previous economic policies of the last twelve years.

Either way they have gone a long way from the original manifesto they were elected on.

It’s OK,that old government was declared a failure and a bankrupt,luckily they had put most of their business through an ex-partner’s account,so they can now start again as a sparkling new government. 😉 You just need to be patient while they get up to speed. 😕

Either way they have gone a long way from the original manifesto they were elected on.

Which is precisely why the opposition parties should be calling for a general election – the Tories’s previous mandate has expired and a fresh mandate is required.

Kwarteng even helps to make the case by talking of a “new era” and a “new government”.

Why aren’t opposition parties exploiting that by pointing out the lack of legitimacy for the Tories to carry on governing without a fresh mandate?

Which is precisely why the opposition parties should be calling for a general election – the Tories’s previous mandate has expired and a fresh mandate is required.

I really don’t understand why the opposition parties aren’t more aggressive on this. We’ve essentially had a coup d-etat and the imposition of a government with no mandate on radically different policies than promised in the previous manifesto. If that doesn’t require a new election then what the hell does? I can only conclude that labour don’t feel like they’re ready for an election, or they can’t afford one right now.

Calling for a new election is pointless. Politics is a out what is possible and plausible. Another election is neither and calling for one also looks stupid and childish politically

You might as well ask for a magic golden unicorn or a list of Brexit benefits

Liz Truss and her chums don’t have any new solutions ,so they will continue to tread water while thrashing about madly below the surface.This appears a safe strategy as Labour don’t seem to have any thing on offer for the country,other than,we are not torries.I have said it before,but it’s as if Labour don’t really want the gig until things hit ground zero and are then begged to try and fix things. 😞

What does everyone think of Liz Truss’s chances of bringing back grammar schools?

They don’t work, and all the experts (okay I read the Guardian, so they will cherry pick who they talk to) agree on this. But this makes me think Truss will do it anyway, in the same way she has pushed through tax cuts for the rich.

I have two children in primary, and reintroducing grammar school is my biggest (among many) fears with this government. It would change looking at paying for extra lessons to help with reading/writing, to paying even more for extra lessons to pass an 11-plus and joining an arms race with other parents where I doubt we could afford.

Alas none of what they are doing should be a surprise. This is disaster capitalism at its highest level, in that they have also initiated the disaster.
I am terrified for anyone needing anything from the state in the next couple of years

I’d hardly call collapsing the UK economy whilst planning to decimate public services ‘treading water’.

reintroducing grammar school is my biggest (among many) fears with this government

We’re in a grammar school area, so I sympathise. It really isn’t something for other areas to aspire to. Streaming can be carried out successfully in school, a hard division at the end of year six is good for no one.

It is like some bizarre dare to see just how far they can mess things up

I think it’s more they know the previous Tory economic policies over the last 12 years have failed miserably so it’s a last throw of the dice, going all in on an extreme government borrowing policy in the hope it starts paying off before the next GE (and with the bonus they and their friends get to line their pockets a bit more on the way).

Whilst many are hoping the policy turns into such a shit show it kills off the Tories entirely sadly I think it’s more a case of Labour will win the next election but with a slim majority, not be able to get us out of the mess enough in their term and people with short memories vote the Tories back in after.

I hope there’s a situation where this policy is enough of a fiasco the government gets an absolute hammering over it for the next couple of years (to the point Kwasi gets fired and Liz quits in disgrace) but it doesn’t do lasting damage to the UK economy and leave hundreds of thousands more in poverty – unfortunately it’s more likely we’ll get the latter without the former.

Truss has , so far, not won over the voters Johnson alienated

Liz Truss has now been in office for 21 Days. Unlike her predecessors, she has not yet received a 'bounce' in the polls.

Change in party VI polling after 3 weeks:

Boris Johnson: +5.7%
Theresa May: +3.9%
Liz Truss: ±0.0% pic.twitter.com/eMGyJxjHxY

— Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK) September 27, 2022

Also this

For the last three years, you couldn't go 24 hours without a Truss photo opportunity. Now she's PM, and the shit has hit the fan, she's disappeared. Funny that.

— Ian Pethick (@IanPethick) September 27, 2022