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  • Liz! Truss!
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    Kramer
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    She also strikes me as a Katie Hopkins type, saying more and more outrageous things in a desperate attempt to keep in the spotlight.

    politecameraaction
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    I was expecting Truss to have a very weird childhood that someone explained her search for attention and identity. Wikipedia is not very detailed but she seems to have moved around a bit including, bizarrely: “In 1977 Truss and her parents moved to Warsaw, but returned to Britain after [parents] John and Priscilla found it “quite grim”” What???

    scuttler
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    “She also strikes me as a Katie Hopkins type,”

    That’s the grift effect…

    I wonder how her own husband and kids feel about this. Shameless, along for the ride, concerned, equally deluded?

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    kimbers
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    As mad as she is, theres fertile ground for populists out there, plenty of people love blaming the unelected quangos & civil service for the failure of their ideologies to deliver what they promised.

    Her ‘Save the West ‘ 3 word slogan is the perfect dog whistle, was out with a riding mate last week who assured me that within a decade we’d all be living in isolated ghettos (he also thinks a trump win would be for the best.)

    This looks very much like her positioning herself for her post politics career, hut unbelievably she’s almost certain to be re-elected as she has a huge majority on a very blue constituency (wo ups live to see her lose it though!)

    binners
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    The BBC are playing lots of Lizzies batshit crazy observations on the world this morning.

    I’m pretty sure Rishi’s Downing Street operation is presently considering a Putin style ‘accident’ to befall the former PM

    Unfortunately she now appears to fancy herself as a rent-a-gob media commentator. Surely joining her grifting colleagues on the GB News gravy train is a given?

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    MrSparkle
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    was out with a riding mate last week who assured me that within a decade we’d all be living in isolated ghettos (he also thinks a trump win would be for the best.)

    Ever considered getting a new riding mate?

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    TiRed
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    If I never heard a statement from her again, it would be too soon. I prefer my politicians to have some competence. Even ones I don’t agree with. She. Is. A. Disgrace!

    Tom-B
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    She. Is. A. Disgrace!

    Still cracks me up 🤣

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    binners
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    She still will not acknowledge any responsibility, let alone apologise for the car crash of her Premiership and is doubling down on the batshit ‘wokerati’ conspiracy theories.

    The Bank of England and various other renowned lefties did for her, apparently

    This is not some Alan Partridge style spoof. This is for real 😳

    18C2B2EC-F21E-4FB7-8B34-98DCC2C3ACCA

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    dissonance
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    She still will not acknowledge any responsibility,

    It must be tricky. Imagine you were completely dedicated to free markets being the source of everything good and perfection.

    Then you finally get to put your plans into action and the markets shit their pants.

    You can either abandon your ideology (the spiked lot are a good example of this careening all the way across to market fundamentalism from marxism after the fall of the soviet block) or conclude that someone was cheating.

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    Coyote
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    Caught a bit of her interview on 5-Live this morning where she was talking about the upcoming changes to tobacco and vaping. Apart from completely deluded she sounded either drunk or high. Either that or she is having a serious episode of some sort.

    Agree with her getting airtime though as a reminder that the Tories actually elected the intellectual void as leader and prime minister!

    ernie
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    She thinks autocracy is a bad thing, and then says

    “In short, she thinks power of judicial appointments should lie with elected politicians.”

    Isn’t what she says about heading down that rocky road?

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    binners
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    Yeah, she rails against the ‘Nanny State’ and spouts her usual libertarian ‘we should be allowed to do whatever we like’ drivel, then 5 minutes later she’s rattling off all the stuff she wants stopped or banned.

    As thick as a Boxing Day turd

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    franksinatra
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    When my daughter was about 2 years old we found her sat on the floor in her room holding a bunch of crayons, with a lovely new crayon drawing on the wall. She said her stuffed rabbit did the drawing. Fair enough, she was 2 years old. Liz Truss is an actual adult.

    The full interview is staggering. It is like she has asked for a list of things that most rational people think, then set out to say the opposite. Pro Trump, for removal of power from Civil Servants, anti media, anti woke, anti Bank of England. Pro Israel, anti net zero, pro Boris.  The list just goes on and on and she doesn’t care if one thought contradicts the next, there is no cohesion of thinking, just a load of populist box ticking.

    I don’t for one second believe that these are her firmly held views. As said above, she is just grifting, looking for money through books, columns, interviews and US talk shows. The Katie Hopkins comparison is a good one.

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    ElShalimo
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    But rotating the square block in Tetris makes no difference to where it fits below.

    Thick as mince 🤦‍♂️

    From the BBC interview last night it’s clear that she is the living embodiment of 14 years of cuts to the mental health care budget.

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    Kramer
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    @binners

    As thick as a Boxing Day turd

    I’m stealing that and putting it in my lexicon. Alongside “throbber” which I’m already gleefully using.

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    Kramer
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    @franksinatra

    she is just grifting

    I can’t remember where, but I read a great essay by a political scientist who was arguing that for a lot of right wing “policies” the grift is the whole point. ie they’re chosen based on their ability to elicit donations from people rather than on any ideological basis. Gun control and abortion being two of them.

    nickc
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    My mum’s partner, an otherwise perfectly normal/sensible chap whom I love dearly has been captured by this version of the conservatives. He thinks Liz Truss is the coming messiah* We avoid politics for both our sakes.

    *well, not really, but he’s very keen on the way she “shakes things up”

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    binners
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    Having just listened to the whole interview, the woman is clearly absolutely barking mad!

    She’s a tinfoil-helmeted, delusional, extremist  maniac!

    That someone as obviously deranged as her could become PM on the back of the votes of a few thousand swivel-eyed loons, no matter how briefly, is completely terrifying!

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    mrbadger
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    As I recall, Back in 2018 Liz truss called for the government to be able to be sued by voters if they cock up budgets etc

    anyone up for a class action?

    Kramer
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    To be fair, I think that level of absolute public humiliation would cause anyone some psychological problems.

    At least the rest of us, if we make a massive **** up after receiving a promotion, the worst that happens is that our company knows about it, and that’s bad enough to deal with. Imaging doing it on the world stage.

    The problem with unelected leaders is that they’ve never been tested in an election campaign, and so there’s a higher probability that they’ll be rubbish IMO.

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    Kramer
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    @nickc – I believe that The Telegraph has a concerted campaign to rehabilitate her, probably because as it is, she’s disproved a whole bunch of their pet economic theories in one fell swoop.

    It seems to me that lots of decent Conservatives haven’t realised how far right a) their press has become and b) the Conservative Party has followed.

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    ElShalimo
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     lots of decent Conservatives

    And pray tell kind Sir, which temporal epoch does one inhabit?

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    binners
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    Line of the interview from Chris Mason, when she was moaning about being undermined by the ‘London Elite’ …

    “oh come off it., it’s not just people in London wine bars that are concerned that the Prime Minister was outlasted by a lettuce!”

    😂

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    Kramer
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    And pray tell kind Sir, which temporal epoch does one inhabit?

    That’s the sort of attitude that puts people off the left.

    franksinatra
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    London elite?

    She went to Oxford Uni to study PPE and has, since then, worked in London based industry and Westminster government, rising to become PM. Surely she is the very definition on London elite.

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    dissonance
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    Surely she is the very definition on London elite.

    Its the same with all of them. Johnson, Cummings, Farage and co.

    They might have a country house for weekends but ultimately they are part of the London elite.

    Johnson and Cummings get the bonus of complaining about the media elite whilst also being part of that circle.

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    scuttler
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    I can’t make my mind up whether this publicity is Oxygen or Carbon Monoxide for her and the Tories. There’s definitely some Nitrous Oxide involved though…

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    crazy-legs
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    Its the same with all of them. Johnson, Cummings, Farage and co.

    It’s a form of cognitive dissonance – be part of the Elite while simultaneously proclaiming yourself to be a Man of the People.

    Farage in particular is very good at it, pictured smoking and drinking in pubs just like the Common Man, railing against the Elites.

    But actually being one of those Elites.

    It’s a way of making an invisible enemy of Elites but you’re not one of Them, you’re a Man of the People. But you are absolutely one of Them.

    One long grift.

    faustus
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    I had a chuckle of recognition at someone on the radio saying she has a serious case of whatever the inverse of imposter syndrome is…that’s probably as polite a thing you could say about her at the moment! Negligent Narcissism?

    ‘Elite’ in the right wing populist context is just a kneejerk piece of vocab trolled out automatically, along with anything ending in ‘for’ or ‘of the British people’.

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    ElShalimo
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    That’s the sort of attitude that puts people off the left.

    I think Enoch Powell and Pol Pot are left of this current bunch

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    Tom-B
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    It’s a form of cognitive dissonance – be part of the Elite while simultaneously proclaiming yourself to be a Man of the People.

    Very much the archetype of the populist leader.  It’s a classic play by the right ring populists, I understand the theories behind it, but what I still can’t quite get is how they manage to get the public to swallow it.  As you say, Farage, Johnson etc successfully sell themselves as anti elite ‘men of the people’, and they are seemingly very successful at it! Many people appear to believe them!

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    Poopscoop
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    Just read that Beeb article on her book Elshalimo posted.

    With a few substitutions here and there, they could have been commenting on some far right MAGA nut.

    She really has gone full Trump.

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    spawnofyorkshire
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    lots of decent Conservatives

    I know a bunch of centrist conservatives who aren’t voting for this shower next GE. They can’t bring themselves to vote Labour, might vote lib dem, but most likely will either spoil ballots or not vote.

    I genuinely think the smoking ban is a good thing, probably poorly executed but actually coming from a place of trying to do something good for once. Of course that means the Tories are going to bicker their way to inaction over it because it’s too ‘woke’ or other such shithousery

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    MSP
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    but what I still can’t quite get is how they manage to get the public to swallow it.

    It’s the fact that their “logic” is never challenged in interviews or by the media in general when it is so blatantly false, or even the opposition. I know it is very on trend for STW to blame the victims (ie the voters) but we are really being failed by a corrupt system, the Westminster bubble and the media are not passive observers in all of this, they are absolutely complicit in driving false narratives that enable populism.

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    kelvin
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    The journalists do challenge them… interviews with Truss this week being prime examples… but the way this works is that those journalists, and their questions, are just painted as and seen as part of the problem.

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    MSP
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    She might have been challenged a bit this week, but lets not pretend that is the norm. A considerable contributor to her “madness” is that she hasn’t been challenged anywhere near enough through out her political life

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    dissonance
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    The journalists do challenge them

    Occasionally and generally with the tories only once they go way beyond sanity.

    A great example is Truss. Despite her whining about the press attacking her budget when you look at the first couple of days it simply isnt supported. The right wing rags were praising her and the beeb was staying in line.

    It was only after it became obvious things werent going well that the media switched to mentioning there might be a problem.

    politecameraaction
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    Hold on – and I appreciate people are not going to like this – but Truss was the daughter of a maths professor and a teacher/nurse, and didn’t grow up in London. She got into Oxford and was hired by a giant multinational as an accountant.  She did all that on merit.

    I don’t see her as an insider or a member of the elite in the same way that Rees-Mogg, and Stephen Kinnock, and Johnson are.

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