- Lily Allen is in the news today
For her ‘feminist anthem’. Oh dear.
You can’t argue with the sentiment, but British pop music really is in a bad state isn’t it? America gives us Lady Gaga and her 4 million followers on Twitter doing it for the geeks and freaks. We’ve got someone speaking sixth form poetry over a melody, accompanied by an “ironic” music video that turns out to be an advert for electronic cigarettes and Dr ‘Misogyny’ Dre’s products.
Since we’re taking the lazy route, I blame X-Factor.Posted 4 years agojekkylMember
Oh the ironing!Posted 4 years ago
Moaning about objectifying women in a video stuffed full of women wearing very little eating bananas and jiggling their arse/tits. Yes that may be the point BUT the video still contains those images and so does nothing but condone their use. So So awful.
Does it really? Maybe if it’s on as a background video with no sound but much as I think ‘6th form poetry’ isn’t far off the right description, the sentiment is about right and it’s plenty of sixth formers and younger who’ll listen to it (particularly as it’ll no doubt be banned/not on play lists) and maybe question the other videos out there just that bit more.Posted 4 years ago
I’ve had a think about it Clubber, and I was maybe a bit hasty this morning, and I have learnt a few things from this thread, so lets look at some positives.
She burns with an incandescent yet coy inner light that lures middle aged men like flies to a bug zapper.
She probably has taken the time to make an informed opinion on Kevin Pietersen, other than, ‘He’s a complete ****’.
She is, for some people, preferable to Miley Cyrus, who – let’s be honest here – is streets ahead in the “My famous Dad” league. But in Lily’s defence, in the “My dad was typecast in life and his acting career, but I’m riding on his connections” sub-league, she is making a better job of it than Jaime Winston.Posted 4 years agoJunkyardMember
I don’t think anyone can hold up Ms Gaga as any sort of musical benchmark.
Is this a grown up saying this
DEzB has it on music – DID I REALLY SAY THAT!. the reality is 99% of pop will be forgotten within a generation as it was throwaway pap and I have no idea nor interest in what is good at the moment
I think the sad thing is image or presentation is probably more important than the music
She is, for some people, preferable to Miley Cyrus, who – let’s be honest here – is streets ahead in the “My famous Dad” league
Yes but which would we all rather have as a dad – i think the answer would break his achey breaky heart and hopefully his hands and vocal chordsPosted 4 years agoninfanMember
Thing is, that its going to hit a much wider audience of young girls with a positive message that ‘it doesn’t have to be this way’ than, for example, the much more cerebral discussion put forward by Charlotte Church at the John Peel Lecture
or Cerys Matthews in her R2 documentary about the women of Country Music
At the same time, its easy to throw abuse at Cyrus – but the fact that for success and recognition the industry relies on this over sexualisation of the person, rather than her actual abilities, and that she is forced to shake her ass like a five dollar whore rather than singing her godmothers songs in her backyard like she’s actually quite good at:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw[/video]Posted 4 years agoninfanMember
one is attractive and feminine, and Lily Allen is neither.
Which has what to do with her talent as either a singer or songwriter?
I mean – lets look at the original criticism of her in this thread – We’ve got someone speaking sixth form poetry over a melody,
I reckon you could quite easily lay the same allegation against Bob Dylan , or how about the sixth form politics of pink floyd (we don’t need no education) or the who (people try to p-put us down, just because we g-get around) – none of who you would judge as an artist based upon how attractive they were.
How about Peggy Seeger FFS?Posted 4 years agothe-muffin-manSubscriber
and that she is forced to shake her ass like a five dollar whore rather than singing her godmothers songs
I doubt this is the case.
She’s already wealthy and from a wealthy family. I’m sure she could make a perfectly good living singing country music if she chose to.Posted 4 years ago
As I said Mr Woppit I can’t argue with the sentiment.
The medium for the message is in my opinion poor. I’m still trying to square the Dr Dre product placement. But then I suppose that the target market for this video might not be aware of his Girrrl Power anthem, “Bitches ain’t shit”. I would hope Ms Allen is.
There is also a bit of what I call the ‘Russell Brand effect’ going on in the media around this, which is what spurred my original post.Posted 4 years agoI_AcheMember
iolo – Member
Gaga can actually sing and is hot.
You’re definitely a wrong ‘un.
I quite like Lily, and the Keane cover that is out at the moment is fantastic. However Hard out Here is a bit crap, I think it is probably out to just get people talking and so we all know she has a new album on the way.Posted 4 years ago
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