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  • kaesae
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    Contrary to what the media has been saying about the situation in Libya, it has been destabilizing/deteriorating for some time

    Assassination attempt on British ambassador to Libya
    http://www.newsits.com/news/world-news/british-ambassador-to-libya-escapes-assassination-attempt-in-benghazi/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9602439/Libya-British-guns-unaccounted-for-after-Benghazi-consulate-attack.html

    Bani Walid has just suffered the same fate a Tawergha, another entire city annihilated at the hands of islamic extremists, not that you would know it from our media. Who shamelessly cover up these war crimes with more lies and deceit.

    As I said before, what has been done in Libya is a WAR crime, we have not freed these people, the majority of people supported Muammar Gaddafi.

    We! that is to say the capitalist west, simply wanted regime change. If well over 100,000 innocent civilians are massacred during over 26,500 NATO missions and the country and all of it’s weapons are turned over to racist terrorists, well that’s just democracy.

    I can’t wait to see what all of those weapons removed from a dictator and placed in to the hands of terrorists peaceful protesters can accomplish, tons of mustard and Sarin gas, thousands of surface to air shoulder mounted missile launchers,

    Libyan Weapons Show Up in Sinai, Egypt Junta Warns

    not too mention countless thousands of sniper rifles, assault rifles and tons of ammo as well as an arsenal of other weapons.

    Wonder how long the propaganda of the west can cover up the catastrophe that Libya has become, after the death of the US Ambassador, I would guess that it will not be too much longer before the whole world knows the truth, rather than just most of the world!

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    I’m always a bit surprised why you think you have some insight into these situations that is denied to the rest of us.

    clubber
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    It’s the conspiracy theorist need to feel that they know more than other people and are a step ahead in terms of intelligence/etc – a sort of superiority complex.

    Funny thing is that sometimes they’re right but that’s not actually what they really care about.

    rudebwoy
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    Kael– what is your take on the Taliban– genuine question .

    cranberry
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    Some times I wonder whether allowing universal access to the internet without a qualifying IQ and sanity check is a good idea.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Thing is, if there is a consipracy to hoodwink the masses by the few they’d be an awful lot better at it and it would take more than a few hundred impressionable people with internet connections to work out what was really going on.

    Premier Icon binners
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    You do seem to get very worked up about this. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, to be honest. Pretty soon the whole Syria and Libya situation is going to look like a fairly minor little tiff

    Because, once Mitt Romney is elected and gives Israel the green light to nuke Tehran, and Turkey thinks ‘sod it’ we might as well kick it off properly with Syria too, then the whole region is going to erupt like lobbing a lit match into a fireworks storage room. They’re all just having cold-war style wars-by-proxy with each other anyway. Just let them kick it off properly and get it over with.

    The best thing we can do is make a bit of money selling them arms (lets face it, if we don’t the Russians certainly will) wait for the dust to die down after they’ve all annihilated each other, then renegotiate the oil exploration rights with whichever bunch of extremist nut-jobs are left nominally in control

    rudebwoy
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    The other thing i have a problem is all these revolutions that occurred in oppressive regimes, starting with Tunisia, and affecting the whole of north africa through to the middle east, are you going to claim they are not popular uprisings ?

    Sure, when there is upheaval, you can never be sure whats going to happen, what regime/system will emerge, but revolutionary change has occurred, and if you think the imperialist west like revolutionary change you are in need of some basic understanding of history. I did ask if you had read any Marx , again the communist manifesto is a superb little book written in 1848, check it out, you might be surprised….

    emsz
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    Kaesea, I don’t pay a lot atten to the news, but even I know that things aren’t great in any of the Arab spring countries ATM, there are lots of questions about tribalism, religion, and weaponry, and I get all that from regular news channels, BBC, newspapers and whatever.

    Lots of people pretty well nformed without all the “cover up” stuff

    piemonster
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    Doing anything about it yet?

    I keep asking because I do have the faint hope you’ll grow some balls and actually try and do something worthwhile.

    Been in touch with http://www.edinburghstw.org.uk/ yet?

    Set up your ebay business to make donations yet?

    When you do, I genuinely will be respectful and proud of what you are doing. Until then, you are just a fraud trying to feel superior.

    piemonster
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    Because, once Mitt Romney is elected and gives Israel the green light

    This

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    I thought edinburghstw was TJ ploughing a lone furrow…

    Junkyard
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    When oppressive regimes fall the consequences are often dire

    See Europe for example and what happened after Tito died – Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing etc

    Blaming us for it is silly so I can see why you do it.
    Read some history

    Anyone want to start a sweepstake on which country he “researches” next?

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Been in touch with http://www.edinburghstw.org.uk/ yet?

    For a brief beautiful moment I though TJ had set up his own STW in protest 😀

    clubber
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    My money’s on Scotland and its valiant struggle against an oppressive regime 🙂

    Jamie
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    Meanwhile, kaesae’s contribution to alleviating the suffering of the Libyan* people remains at sweet **** all.

    *swap for Syria if you like.

    clubber
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    Of course he’s not actually doing anything.

    that’s not actually what they really care about.

    It’s about him, not them.

    piemonster
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    My money’s on Scotland and its valiant struggle against an oppressive regime

    Oooh, good shout. I was going for Greek slavery to German banks. Although that may already have been done.

    Hmm,

    kaesae
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    If you know that this is the truth now I am truly relieved, not long ago Libya was a country that simply wanted it’s freedom to most people on here!

    That you have woken up to the facts that Benghazi and Misrata are global islamic extremist strong holds, that those cities are where most of the suicide bombers and fighters that were active in Afghanistan and Iraq were recruited from, is a good thing.

    Not surprising that it was easy to instigate demonstrations/uprisings from Benghazi and Misrata, Gaddafi had been imprisoning extremists from those two cities for years. Libya had thousands of terrorists locked up in prisons as a sign of good faith and cooperation with the west. They have of course now all been released and are free to attack embassies and any thing / one else they like!

    Gaddafi also got rid of his WMD’s and nuclear programme, truth be told the conflict in Libya was easy for NATO, Gaddafi spent his money on developing his country not on weapons.

    The money the west claimed was seized from his families personal accounts, was actually put aside to redevelop Africa. Between $150,000,000 and $200,000,000.

    What has been done to the government and people of Libya is truly disgusting, glad to hear that the world now know this was simply regime change and WAR in it’s newest format.

    Has the public also woken up to the fact that the exact same thing is happening in Syria, I do hope so!

    crikey
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    The idea of gainful employment still as much of a mystery as ever I see.

    rudebwoy
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    Won’t be Vatican City.

    Taliban– any views– Kael– since by your criteria they are defenders of their faith- at every others expense– especially females

    piemonster
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    Oooh got one, can we have a ‘Mexican drugs war’ thread please

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    The money the west claimed was seized from his families personal accounts, was actually put aside to redevelop Africa.

    *hollow laughter*

    piemonster
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    That you have woken up

    See, this is much better trolling. 8/10

    Premier Icon binners
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    So…. let me get this right… you’re suggesting that without pesky western interference, the middle east and north africa would be a land of milk and honey, with everyone living together in peace and harmony?

    Bless your hopelessly naive little head. Here’s a picture of some kittens and flowers. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww

    Aren’t they cute 😀

    piemonster
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    Clubbers has neatly summed it up there

    rudebwoy
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    What about the treatment of ‘native’ americans ?

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    What about the treatment of ‘native’ americans?

    Bison rights don’t get the attention they deserve, it has to be said.

    rudebwoy
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    its a beautiful day outside here, so for that reason i’m ooot

    piemonster
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    its a beautiful day outside here, so for that reason i’m ooot

    Agreed, my legs are kaput from running 38 miles yesterday. Got the day off work and it’s sunny. Time for an easy pedal out, followed by some coffee and cake.

    atlaz
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    That you have woken up to the facts that Benghazi and Misrata are global islamic extremist strong holds, that those cities are where most of the suicide bombers and fighters that were active in Afghanistan and Iraq were recruited from, is a good thing.

    Wait, I thought that when most of those suicide bombers were active in Afghanistan and Iraq that Gadaffi was in power. Surely if Gadaffi was the benevolent uncle of Libya who everyone loved and the terrorists feared because he was so super awesome (I’m imagining him as a combination of Jens Voigt, Chuck Norris, Bono, Chris Martin from Coldplay, Omar Sharif, John Candy and Einstein) and therefore there were no terrorists, and no support of terrorists until the lizard people of the NWO got their hands on his warm insides.

    I’m sensing the sucking power of a logical black hole in your argument. Which is nothing new.

    piemonster
    Member

    And with that, no more interaction with the fraudster until he comes up with some action rather than words on a cycling forum

    konabunny
    Member

    Well, if you can’t believe the word of a military council desperately trying not to allow civilians to exercise greater control over the state they’ve ruled for decades, who can you believe?

    kaesae
    Member

    Good to see so many people who are completely oblivious to what is happening globally.

    Gaddafi planned to create a new currency, the African Gold Dinar. This would of course have needed a banking system as well. Hence the $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 that had been set aside.

    All of the African countries involved with the project would only have traded in this currency, for all of their oil and other wealth.

    Humanitarian aid in the form of mass murder of Libyan civilians by NATO and arming terrorist groups or regime change to once again oppress the people of Africa.

    I do not doubt a lot of people will believe that they know what happened in Libya, that it was a revolution rather than a coup!

    However more and more people know the truth and the imperialists cannot use tyranny, oppression and murder to escape the recession. All we are doing is isolating ourselves further, from developing countries and regions.

    Hopefully one day we will learn that we need to create stronger ties and alliances with people, not bomb them into submission!

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Good to see so many people who are completely oblivious to what is happening globally.

    well it suits you to believe that, anyway. Puts you a notch above the great unwashed.

    more and more people know the truth

    I’m sure there’ll be some other vehicle for your ego along once everyones twigged to this particular issue.

    crikey
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    Hopefully one day we will learn that we need to create stronger ties and alliances with people, not bomb them into submission!

    As opposed to sitting in the dark.
    In your pants.

    Premier Icon jambalaya
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    There is some truth win what the OP says. Iraq is far less stable now than it was under Hussain. Egypt which has long had reasonable stability between it’s Christian and Muslim populations is now a potential tinder box.

    FWIW my French colleagues say since the war there has been a significant increase in gun crime in France with a lot of military weapons having been smuggled from Libya into France since the conflict.

    You might not like a given regime but the replacement chaos is generally worse.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Do you think that Gadaffy Duck, as well as his altruistic stockpiling of currency, for the good of everyone, also had purely benevolent intentions when supplying the IRA with arms and blowing up airliners over Scotland? Were these benign, kindly gestures just tragically misunderstood?

    Anyway, here’s a bunny rabbit with some flowers

    Awwwwwwwwwwwww bless

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    You might not like a given regime but the replacement chaos is generally worse.

    So benign dictatorship is the ideal government?

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