Legal advice please – cancelling a new car dispute

would you knock them back??

Obviously not. I wouldn’t have signed my mate up to finance on a £440/month Skoda in the meantime either though

This has started tailing off in the last few pages. Can you start dishing out insults again please ling? That was fun!

What a mess these two jokers have got themselves into.

My customer will get a £600 invoice, and he will pay, or… I will love to see the Judge’s face as this case is argued out. Can I You-Tube it?

Having said that, I am so pleased this car DIDN’T get delivered.

I don’t think I’ll do anything in a rush, here… let me think. These two can have this hanging over their heads a while. But something will happen.

You can bet your life they didn’t disclose all this stuff to the Citizens Advice or Solicitor.

What stuff didn’t they disclose?

You can buy a car for some one it’s not illegal. Stupid maybe.

This thread is turning into this…..

Well…*

*Not pictured: Mick, SC and Lord Lucan

I took the chance because 8 months of unemployment has wiped out any chance of either having funds to buy a runaround or finance a vehicle

I get that, but you didn’t chose a Volkswagen Up! either 😕

Given that Ling has had quite a bit of publicity out of this here, and will almost certainly* get hundreds and hundreds of new clients** because of this, perhaps if you just asked nicely she could make a goodwill gesture. There was a suggestion made earlier that you make a donation to a charity and she waives the fees. That made me feel all warm and cuddly, and I’d like that to be the outcome.

*99% certain – GeordieMick certified 😆
**actual figures may vary 🙂

The absolute best bit about this thread is that Ling has confirmed that there is a mechanism in place which allows us to summon her to a thread whenever we want, a bit like Beetlejuice. 🙂

Ling is busy setting herself up for a “I’ve decided to let them off this time.” Some back pedalling going on here.

Hmm new forum game Ling fishing..

(fishling maybe?)

I’d still buy a car from Ling

How do you feel about entering into a business arrangement with geordiemick?

How do you feel about entering into a business arrangement with geordiemick?

Depends. Does he have his own vehicle?

I don’t think I’ll do anything in a rush, here… let me think. These two can have this hanging over their heads a while. But something will happen.

This kind of nonsense is going to lose you sympathy.

The absolute best bit about this thread is that Ling has confirmed that there is a mechanism in place which allows us to summon her to a thread whenever we want, a bit like Beetlejuice.

😀

When the informed legal opinions are posted, I side in favour of the OP.

Then the OP posts again and I instantly swing back to side with Ling.

OP just keeps on digging, and this thread just keeps on giving.

there aren’t enough biscuits.

sr0093193 – Member
What stuff didn’t they disclose?

You can buy a car for some one it’s not illegal. Stupid maybe.

Potentially, it’s defrauding the finance company. If you bought a house with false information, what happens when the mortgage isn’t paid?

When these payments had gone tits up, there would have been a loss. Bigly. That’s why I’m glad the car was not delivered. Glad I’m no longer in THAT loop.

But will recover my costs here, as detailed.

Ling

When the informed legal opinions are posted, I side in favour of the OP.

Then the OP posts again and I instantly swing back to side with Ling.

What we need is a Lingometer…

But I’m in so deep
You know I’m such a fool for you
You’ve got me wrapped around your finger
Do you have to re-let it Ling, huh?
Do you have to, do you have to, do have to re-let it Ling, huh?

My advice is don’t post anything regarding the true legal position – she seems to ignore you if you do that.

Please do – I’m looking forward to his reaction to your attempts to explain why normal consumer law doesn’t apply to your business. But it’s not actually going to go that far is it, because that would cost you money?

Potentially, it’s defrauding the finance company. If you bought a house with false information, what happens when the mortgage isn’t paid?

When these payments had gone tits up, there would have been a loss. Bigly. That’s why I’m glad the car was not delivered. Glad I’m no longer in THAT loop.

But you were aware of the situation that there was the front and the OP, right?

You’ll have to go to somebody other than ling – my Russian and Peruvian mates checked and they don’t supply those.

Potentially, it’s defrauding the finance company. If you bought a house with false information, what happens when the mortgage isn’t paid?

When these payments had gone tits up, there would have been a loss. Bigly. That’s why I’m glad the car was not delivered. Glad I’m no longer in THAT loop.

But will recover my costs here, as detailed.

Ling starts at the very top of the moral high ground and dives off like some kind of rocket powered Tom Daley.

defrauding the finance company. If you bought a house with false information, what happens when the mortgage isn’t paid?

When these payments had gone tits up, there would have been a loss. Bigly.

Defaulting on a finance arrangement isn’t fraud, its breach of contract, except it’s not, because the finance deal was never set up.

But it’s not actually going to go that far is it, because that would cost you money?

Not much though. SCC is only £60 and no costs. Well worth a punt if you think you have any kind of case and there’s nothing specific that says a car with options is not bespoke.

Ling might win, or the OP might be happy to pay some cash just to avoid taking a day off work. Worth a punt.

The silly threats make me think she’s not going to bother, though.

because this really does get stranger and stranger

It is the season for Stranger Lings.

Can someone do a ‘Hitlers Bunker’ of this thread please?

Jesus.

Obviously the solicitor advice not to say anything has gone out of the window.

Yes, because you’re insistent on quoting quite frankly utter nonsense and defamatory comments.

Is it just me, or is it a bit rich that someone who is misrepresenting because they would be declined by the finance company is then complaining about their consumer rights when they cancel the car?

That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. My ability to prove my ability to pay for finance has absolutely no connection to your blatant disregard for consumer law.

This isn’t a police matter… yet. No one is ringing 999. But Christ, to admit to this stuff on a forum??? This stinks. Something will happen, I am figuring that out.

Admit what? As per the convo with your staff it’s not illegal for someone to lease a vehicle then let someone else drive it? That’s the only admission here….

My employees would NEVER a) give this advice in the first place, b) allow it to go ahead if they knew.

They did and why did they then? You have an order form with two addresses on and you have a messenger system with two contacts who both are attached to the quotes and the numerous conversations since 4/10/17

or did you think we were a pair of gay guys who lived 160 miles apart and wanted to share a car??

My employees don’t work on commission, they have no pressure, no motive. Plus, as the OP helpfully says, I don’t do phone advice, everything is in writing. Thank God for that.

I never claimed we were put under pressure, yet the only phone call I had you now deny ever took place, quite convenient.

To answer a specific: Contacts on my LINGO system are controlled by THE USER. The customer can add emails to be copied in, or not. So (example) a husband and wife can both see details of a big thing – a car. Or to add a work email. Having an additional email on my system is no indication of anything.

Utter Nonsense, the conversations clearly depict the situation.

What a mess these two jokers have got themselves into.

Too personal.

My customer will get a £600 invoice, and he will pay, or… I will love to see the Judge’s face as this case is argued out. Can I You-Tube it?

Duly noted.

Having said that, I am so pleased this car DIDN’T get delivered.

It’s not even been built yet

I don’t think I’ll do anything in a rush, here… let me think. These two can have this hanging over their heads a while. But something will happen.

Duly noted, don’t let that £600 of power go to your head.. I’ve spent many years in the small claims courts in a previous role and i know exactly how they work, what costs you can and can’t claim and how to slow the process down, this is of no real threat or scare tactic. If it gets to court then we’ll get our £600’s worth of negative exposure of your company.

You can bet your life they didn’t disclose all this stuff to the Citizens Advice or Solicitor.

You bet we did. Why would we misinform them cos that would mean they’d misinform us.

There’s only one party guilty of non disclosure here…

Hang on wwaswas, I’m getting it sorted… there’s a fair few of us to cater for…

I’ll call the Jaffa truck driver, he’s clearly heading to Sunderland, not Gateshead… I’ll sort it…..

Do small claims courts have a viewing gallery?

I like Ling. She should come here more often.

It is the season for Stranger Lings.

Potentially, it’s defrauding the finance company

Provided the person requesting the finance gives his details there’s no fraud.

He is accepting the liability for the hire and vehicle once provided. Who drive the car is irrelevant to you provided they are properly insured.

So if his friend didn’t pay him; he would be the person you reclaim costs from.

As I said it’s not illegal it is stupid on his part.

Jamie – Member

But you were aware of the situation that there was the front and the OP, right?

Absolutely NOT. There has been a benign question about who could be on the insurance and drive the car… my standard reply is anyone fully comp can drive the car. That is a common question. But, I (or my team) had NO KNOWLEDGE of an accommodation deal (ie misrepresenting to a finance company). I’ve been through every transcript. And EVERYTHING gets transcribed.

I don’t do that. What crazy business would knowingly rent a £400+/mth new car to an unemployed person, contracted for 2-years??? Utterly ridiculous.

– Ling

Utterly ridiculous.

This whole situation is fairly wonky all over. So Stranger Things is on this weekend!!! have happened.

or did you think we were a pair of gay guys who lived 160 miles apart and wanted to share a car

I think we established earlier you’d have to be in Oman and looking at a Mini. Do try and keep up.

rickmeister:

I’ve got the crockery sorted.

judges face, as this case is argued out ?,
er the respondent ordered a car ? yes,
the respondent cancelled order within the statutory cooling off period? yes,
the statutory cooling off period when he can cancel for no or any reason, without liability? yes,
you want me to find him liable to you for £600 that you did not even specify on your form,? yes.
when he has a legal right to cancel with out liability ? YES.
but you want me to hold him liable to you for £600? yes
er NO next case please.

sr0093193 – Member

Wrong. You can’t misrepresent like that to a finance company. It is potential fraud, and fraud is illegal.

No finance company would ever lease a car to a person in the OP’s position.

Therefore he is deliberately misleading them.

It’s very clear.

Is there a highlights program like the Bake Off:Extra Slice or will I have to wait for the paperback to come out?

Are people who work for ling called The Underlings?

Still the costs of her legal advice (which she can’t claim back) and the costs of her time – though she seems happy enough to waste that on here (though I suspect it counts as marketing). There are also costs – you can’t claim for legal costs, but the OP could claim travel expenses and lost earnings.

It sounds like she does still think she has a case, though I guess if she did end up in court she probably wouldn’t have legal costs of her own, as anybody she paid for would tell her not to bother. I think we’ve established quite clearly that the car isn’t bespoke – apart from the law regarding cars which both the real lawyers on here seem quite clear about, it came from a stock list.

There is definitely something fishy going on with this thread