who often makes me chuckle with his subtle trolling on here

he makes me wince with his undercurrent of racism when I know he's a lovely bloke 🙁

Nick griffin is not indiginous english, he's got Welsh heritage so f00k him off out of the country. Better still can we use him for scientific experiments? I was thinking along lines of how much expanding polyuerthane foam can you fit into a fascists orifice before he explodes! or if you wrap a fat fascist in blankets and then set fire to him will the "wick effect" of liquid fat and cloth mimic the remains for spontaeous human combustion 😀

he makes me wince with his undercurrent of racism

Well I don't detect any 'undercurrent of racism', and I have a fairly low tolerance threshold when it comes to racism.

What I do detect, is someone refuses to comply with political correctness requirements, something which I share a lot of sympathy with. He does like to wind up, in his subtle sort of way, the Guardian reading PC brigade.

mitch, nowhere in my post will you see that i defended griffin, i agree like all on here about what he is and what he stands for.
but why the venom and vitriol.
what has he done to you.
if you do not like it, dont, read, watch, listen to it.
you have a brain, don't you, learn to use it man.

What I do detect, is someone refuses to comply with political correctness requirements

perhaps his subtlety is lost on me…

Unfortunately the actions of the ANL over the whole NG/Question Time affair has played right into the hands of the BNP. I find the beliefs of the BNP disgusting but we live in a democratic country, and regardless of the legalities of their party constitution two of its members have been elected as the representatives to the EU for members of the population. I'm not for one moment suggesting that the ANL shouldn't have been able to protest, just that their actions may have bestowed upon the BNP 'victim' status and perhaps made the unthinking yet free to vote believe that the BNP in the 'moderate' voice in all this, seeing as it wasn't BNP supporters being dragged by their ankles from the BBC by the police on primetime national news tonight. Far better to allow the numpty in charge of the BNP make an ar&e of himself on national TV by being torn to pieces by folk that make a living playing the political field than bestow him victim status in the eyes of the unthinking.

sootyandjim- absolutely spot on comments!!

sootyandjim, as just put so nicely to words what i was trying to say.

what has he done to you.
if you do not like it, dont, read, watch, listen to it.

OMG why dont you engage your brain first?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

That is why we object he is an odious fascist. He has the right to free speech he is excercising it we are excersing our right to free speech and some others right to protest. So you give the Nazi w@nker rights you want to restrict in others.

Turn the other cheek if you wish but to mis quote Thatcher [ I have fallen into some sort of parallel universe now I think]

you turn if you want to but the man is not for turning

and that is your choice mate.
i can let things like racists, facists, lefties, righties, in the middle bitties wash over me without causing a ripple.
smoke some weed man, relax a bit, maybe change your diet. 😉

that is your choice mate. i can let things like racists, facists, lefties, righties, in the middle bitties wash over me without causing a ripple.

Wash over you without causing a ripple ?

No you can't. You started a thread to have a rant about people whom you don't agree with.

Why didn't you just "smoke some weed man"…. eh ?

😕

ernie, just spliffing up as we speak, maybe i should have done it later.
eh?

just watched the news, absolute disgust at the left wing do good hooligans that have got nothing better to do than hound and harras a politician who has been elected by the british public.

Sounds like defence to me. I am completely unrepentant regarding my comments, and if that makes me brainless, at least I can believe my moral compass is pointing in the right direction. My grandfather served as part of a bomber crew during the second world war, fighting against scum who shared the same 'ideology' as Griffin and his chums, which kind of puts all the posturing and arguing on here (and yes, I'm including myself here) into perspective. So what if he was elected by the British public? As a former member of the ANL, I've been on the recieving end of the BNP's and NF's 'ideology', so dont even get me started…

+1 ernie – bomb I thought you had chilled but your just an annoying little troll..

ps plainly you cant let lefties, righties, racists etc wash over you otherwise you wouldnt have started a post about "leftie hooligans.."

Go & have a w@nk & make yourself feel better..

maybe i should have done it later.

Well actually I was suggesting earlier not later. I thought that was obvious – no ?

i do not read the opening sentence as a defense of anyone merely a observation of a load of troublecausers making a nuisance of them selves.

my uncle was blown to bits by the IRA in 1978, so stop preaching the family member defending the flag bit mitch.

are you a member of cnd, fathers for justice, animal rights, lesbian women of barnsley and any other bandwagon you can jump on.

(I know I'm going to regret this)

Sooty and Jim – spot on.

Democracy is absolute.

Protest against him if you like but keep it lawful for **** sake.

Playing right into the BNP trap with this behaviour.

BTW I am astounded at the explosion in publicity that the BNP and Griffin are getting at the moment – ignore these twits and keep them on the fringes where they belong (if they have to exist at all)

Well why not say title your post with something a little more mature perhaps? Try "Freedom of speech- discuss" not the sensationlist cr@p of "Leftie Hooligans.." Perhaps then maybe you will find folk a little more tolerant of you!

Though to TBH I think the clue to your political leanings in the title AND in your last post..

ps only thing Im a member of is the IMBA.

repack, i have apologised to you once already, i am not gonna do it again.
i do not realy have any political leanings, and what bit i did have died the day thatcher got in.

i am a ctc member

No need for an apology there fella but if you post on a public forum the kind of tosh you are then you have to accept some flak! After all its a free country 😉

indeed.

just out of interest on another note, what bike do you ride, is it old school.
with a name like that?

No Ive just gone carbon as it happens! The moniker is cause Im a brit living in California & only a few turns of my pedals from said road.

smoke some weed man, relax a bit, maybe change your diet.

😳 embarrassed for you, are you that naive?

Tolerance is a wonderful thing but some people can use it against you.
That is what the point of that poem is about. Again feel free to turn the other cheek ,like say we did to Hitler but at some point you will nee d to fightthese people or be seriously oppressed by them. To tolerate them is to shrug as a person beats an old lady or hits his partner.

my uncle was blown to bits by the IRA in 1978, so stop preaching the family member defending the flag bit mitch.

are you a member of cnd, fathers for justice, animal rights, lesbian women of barnsley and any other bandwagon you can jump on.

Nope, just dont like nazis, but, as other people on here have already said, everybody's entitled to their own beliefs. By the way, the 1980's are over that way somewhere.

Junkyard – Member

OMG why dont you engage your brain first?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

That is why we object he is an odious fascist. He has the right to free speech he is excercising it we are excersing our right to free speech and some others right to protest. So you give the Nazi w@nker rights you want to restrict in others.

Nicely said Junkyard!

😀

Democracy is absolute.

what does that mean ?

Protest against him if you like but keep it lawful for **** sake.

Laws change, sometimes due to unlawful protest, sometimes due to highly unlawful overthrow of the government. The law is a concept and everyone chooses which laws they'll obey.

Posted this quote on another thread but I think its equally applicable here, and echoes Junkyards sentiments.

"All that's necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

Edmund Burke

The problem with protesting against the BNP (or any other far right groups), is that – how can I put this – they dont respond very well to it, and dont appear overly willing to enter into debate. They'd much rather just kick your head in, no matter how much Nick Griffin would have us believe they've changed. You can witter on all you like about left wing hooligans bombadillo (how much did you enjoy the hobbit to come up with that one?), but these people arent phased in the slightest by peaceful protest, so **** 'em, burn them all down…

barnsleymitch – A far more concerning fact is that the BNP are now shying away from even turning up mob handed to spread their 'message' with fists.

On many occassions lately the BNP (or their EDL friends) have advertised on their websites proposed protests, the ANL have organised counter-protests, then on the day the BNP/EDL stay away and leave the police with only ANL supporters to deal with. This, I've no doubt, is starting to portray the ANL as 'rent-a-mob' in the eyes of some members of the general public and perversely may bestow feelings of sympathy on those they oppose.

This is far more worrying than NG appearing on QT, far-right idiots getting organised. If the ANL don't start thinking about their actions scenes such as those at the BBC the other day could help the BNP gain a perception as being 'moderate' to those that vote without exploring in depth.

I'm not for one moment saying the ANL shouldn't be able to protest, I fully agree with their aims, just that the manner in which they are doing it at the moment may be doing the BNP's PR work for them.

Simonfbarnes

What I meant by democracy is absolute is just this – either you don't have it or you do – there is no halfway ground.

To have democracy means that people like Nick Griffin who get elected are entitled to voice their political views, whether the majority of the populace like it or not. BTW I don't, but I have to accept it.

Secondly, the point about keeping it lawful is all to do with perceptions. I found the actions of these protesters to be completely out of order and a bit irritating. Several Police officers injured attempting to prevent them from breaching the security of the BBC building to prevent a democratically elected person from speaking. Totally unacceptable behaviour.

IMO – an opinion which I am entitled to because I live in a democracy 😉

(I knew I was going to regret getting involved in this – I am now going to resist the temptation to reenter this post as I know I am right!!!)

So this isn't a thread about Cannondales then 😳

I detest Nick Griffin as much as anyone but there was something I found pretty uncomfortable about the way the audience was whooping as commentator after commentator lined up to make pre-prepared rabble rousing speeches slagging him off.

And endless debate over whether churchill would have been in the BNP or not – who gives a ****? The BNP are racist, everyone knows that really, why not ask him about some of his actual (loony) policies instead of just calling him a racist nazi over and over again (which I'm fairly sure he is by the way).

tell you what has suprised me in all this, i have been watching the news, the local news and listening to the local radio stations.
the amount of asian people being interviewed, and them saying that it was right off the bbc to let him on the programme, and that it was his democratic right to air his views.
so if asian and other ethnic groups in bradford, leeds, dewsbury are not worried about him being on the tv, why should a group of middle aged internet saddo's, most of them who live in the home counties or little bnritain be bothered by the no mark?

There was some nice footage of Griffin doing a walkaround the day after the show, shaking hands etc. All very cuddly. An asian guy asked to have his photo taken with him and then they got chatting (I thought the guy was taking the piss, which he may well of been). Then Griffin asks him if he was a sikh, which he was. Griffin then greated him with a sikh phrase which the guy responded to. Smiles and handshakes all round.

Every time I've seen/heard him on TV now he's praised the sikhs. He loves 'em!

I bet we'll see sikh members and a sikh counciler/MEP/whatever for the BNP in the near future. That should really make the debate entertaining.

Perhaps because they come from a civilized society that does not tolerate racist politicians of any race or creed. Why does it offend you so much that Mr Griffin gets so much flak afterall you say you do not support what he stands for. Or perhaps your on here just to amuse your self by trying to wind people up, also! have you not got a spell checker!

This, I've no doubt, is starting to portray the ANL as 'rent-a-mob' in the eyes of some members of the general public

Sooty – the problem there is that the ANL are almost exactly that, and have been for a good couple of decades – I knew several ANL members in the early nineties, who attended every single "left wing" protest and demo going regardless of cause – Hunt Sabs, Anti Vivisection, Poll Tax, etc – anywhere and everywhere there was a protest, they would go, it was a fun, cheap day out with a good chance of a rumble.

Funnily enough our paths crossed again some years later, and they were still attending everything "Anti " -globalisation, GM foods, climate change, stop the war etc. etc. – By their own admission they held very little affiliation or investment in the "cause" they were marching for – they just enjoyed the social scene of protesting…

Unfortunately the actions of the ANL over the whole NG/Question Time affair has played right into the hands of the BNP. I find the beliefs of the BNP disgusting but we live in a democratic country, and regardless of the legalities of their party constitution two of its members have been elected as the representatives to the EU for members of the population. I'm not for one moment suggesting that the ANL shouldn't have been able to protest, just that their actions may have bestowed upon the BNP 'victim' status and perhaps made the unthinking yet free to vote believe that the BNP in the 'moderate' voice in all this, seeing as it wasn't BNP supporters being dragged by their ankles from the BBC by the police on primetime national news tonight. Far better to allow the numpty in charge of the BNP make an ar&e of himself on national TV by being torn to pieces by folk that make a living playing the political field than bestow him victim status in the eyes of the unthinking.

Blimey. While it appears everyone else on this thread is nitpicking everyone else's personality disorders, Sooty comes up with the goods.

Sooty – the problem there is that the ANL are almost exactly that, and have been for a good couple of decades – I knew several ANL members in the early nineties, who attended every single "left wing" protest and demo going regardless of cause – Hunt Sabs, Anti Vivisection, Poll Tax, etc – anywhere and everywhere there was a protest, they would go, it was a fun, cheap day out with a good chance of a rumble.

Thought I'd flag up that you have put poll tax protests in your list. It was a little more wide scale than just the "lefties".

Interesting poll results: 22% would consider voting BNP. That's not far behind labour at the moment.

More than half of those questioned said they agreed with the BNP, or thought that it “had a point” in wishing to “speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people … which successive governments have done far too little to protect.”

I think we may see some more of these fellas.

of course we will see more of them.
with the economy being like it is, and immigration being like it is.
the country is in mess, anyone with common sense must see that.
british people think that 'our' jobs are being taken by immigrants, rightly or wrongly.
if the bnp play on stopping this of course they are gonna start getting more seats.
we know that a lot of the 'chav' society will not do the jobs that a lot of the immigrants fill, but it is the likes of the 'chavs' that will vote griffin in cos they do believe the hype.