Lance to ride Tour de Ben Nevis?
I’d say yes feel free to come and ride.
The people charged with dishing out punishment for his violations have done that and by their ruling he’s free to ride this event. The man should be punished to the extent of the rules of his sport and the law of the land beyond that he should be free to live his life like anyone else, and that includes riding his bike.Posted 5 years agoSpeshpaulSubscriber
“I raced against lance and i was clean!”
he still beat me thou.
If the event is not sanctioned by the governing body in this case UCI, then he is not band from it.
Would be interesting to hear from the event sponsors, as to whether they would a take the “don’t want to be associated with him” or “there’s only one thing worse than being talked about” line
advertisers were paying big buck for the OW show last week.Posted 5 years ago
I don’t think he should be allowed to enter. Full stop.
He’s Joe Schmoe just like you and me. Unless the rules prevent him, he should be able to pay his fee and turn up on the startline just like anyone else.
Should David Millar be accepted? What about someone with a drink drive conviction, or a doping offence in another sport? How to decide who’s in or out?Posted 5 years ago
He’s Joe Schmoe just like you and me.
Except he’s not. He’s a convicted drugs cheat currently serving a ban from all sanctioned sports covered by WADA. I’m sure it sends a really wonderful message if you allow such a person to compete in your event (making the completely unfounded assumption that such an e-mail came from Lance and is serious).
Should David Millar be accepted? What about someone with a drink drive conviction, or a doping offence in another sport?
Millar has served his ban is rehabilitated and is now allowed to compete in all sports. Why does everybody have to keep bringing him up as a strawman whenever Lance is mentioned? Somebody serving a ban for a doping offence in another sport is in exactly the same position as Lance. It’s really not anything like as complicated as you make out.Posted 5 years agoJunkyardMember
If he is not breaking any rules he should be allowed to do it and we al know LA never breaks the rules 😉
Its interesting throughout all this I find myself suddenly becoming a bleeding heart liberal again – after months/years of saying burn him. he ha sbeen caught now lest deal with this.
You either believe in rehabilitation or you dont and this will define your answer
I believe in rehabilitation – its a very very long road for LA and, like most of you, I doubt i will ever believe him
Worse folk have reformed than him and everyone deserves a chance even him
I am suspecting this will be a popular view on here 😀Posted 5 years ago
Wouldnt it be better for the riders who all rode beside him to decide if he should compete again or not.
I imagine a fair few would object. I’d also say LA isn’t in the clear to compete. Hes under investigation effectively where Millar is in the clear to do whatever he wants.Posted 5 years ago
You either believe in rehabilitation or you dont and this will define your answer
You’ll have to explain your view of punishment and rehabilitation to me. Should he be punished, and if so, what punishment has he had? How can he be rehabilitated if he hasn’t been punished, he hasn’t (really) shown any remorse for his offences (“they were all doing it”, “I looked up cheat in the dictionary”) and he hasn’t changed?Posted 5 years ago
@aracer yeah you’re right, someone whose ban is up is a different case
I think what the TBN organisers need to decide is if currently banned pros are allowed in their event. (Maybe they already have a rule or policy covering this).
Then they apply that.
What I don’t think they should do is make a special case for LA. The policy/rules apply to everyone, however it falls.Posted 5 years ago
What I don’t think they should do is make a special case for LA. The policy/rules apply to everyone, however it falls.
I totally agree. They probably don’t get too many banned athletes wanting to compete at their events though (and I should point out it isn’t just pros drugs bans apply to – I’ve competed at events where people have been tested, and I’m certainly not and never have been a professional sportsperson)
Part of his punishment is that he can longer participate in WADA sanctioned events. I’m not familiar with the tour of Ben Nevis but i assume that it’s not a WADA sanctioned event therefore he should be free to take part.
So if it’s not a WADA sanctioned event you can take whatever drugs you like and the organisors and other competitors are totally happy with that? IMHO allowing athletes undergoing drugs bans to compete in any race is a slippery slope.Posted 5 years agomartinhutchSubscriber
Hes under investigation effectively where Millar is in the clear to do whatever he wants.
Is he? USADA has delivered its verdict, the ban is in place and UCI has accepted it, stripping him of titles etc.
As far as TBN is concerned, it’s their event and they need to balance the likely positives and negatives of having LA involved. Fairness is a fine thing, but he’s not like any other athlete – he’ll bring them a media scrum which could affect the running of the event.Posted 5 years agoJunkyardMember
You’ll have to explain your view of punishment and rehabilitation to me.
OK but briefly lets not get side tracked as I dont have all the answers
Should he be punished, and if so, what punishment has he had?
ye she should – pretty sure the last few months have not been great – stipped, humiliated, lost sponsiorships cried on tv etc. He needs a competitive ban as well for sure and he needs to squeal more about what was going on. Baning at tthe top level may also be approriate as well so he can never really test himself. however he should be free to do other events- sportives for example – imagine the humiliation 😉
Perhaps for 5 – 10 years witha review so his behaviour can get “time off”
How can he be rehabilitated if he hasn’t been punished, he hasn’t (really) shown any remorse for his offences
Truth and reconcilliation and making sure it cannot happen again?
Its more about getting something positive from this than getting my pound of flesh- he does need punishing for sure its just what this should be that I am discussing.
(“they were all doing it”, “I looked up cheat in the dictionary”) and he hasn’t changed?
I took that more as him explaining his actions than trying to exonerate himself.
Like i said he is a cheating lying **** but we can turn this into a positive or we can punish him as an example to othersPosted 5 years ago
So if it’s not a WADA sanctioned event you can take whatever drugs you like and the organisors and other competitors are totally happy with that?
I doubt that the serious competitors would be happy, organisers? Maybe, depends on how they manage the publicity. People that are riding more as a day out rather than serious attempt to ‘win’ I’d guess they’d be split some would like the opportunity to be in the same event as Armstrong others would find the idea of him there repulsive and a fair few in the middle wouldn’t give a toss.
IMHO allowing athletes undergoing drugs bans to compete in any race is a slippery slope.
generally I’d agree with you, but if they have no rules currently in place to prevent riders serving WADA bans to participate then they should let him ride this year and then set about altering their entry requirements for next year, making a special case of anyone whether that be positive or negative discrimination is unjust.
My view remains that he should be punished to the full extent of the rules of the sport and the law of the land but beyond that he should have the same opportunities as everyone else.Posted 5 years agoglasgowdanMember
Letting him compete would make a mockery of the event and detract the attention from those genuine people who have entered and want to race. A race is a private event and the organisers have the right to refuse anyone they wish.
If I was in with a shout of winning a race and I saw Lance at the start line I’d be seriously annoyed.Posted 5 years ago
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