Labour Party problems

But you can’t deny that the leadership of the party is failing.

I think that’s a little simplistic. On the face of it that’s true, but it would have taken a truly incredible leader to hold the party together in these circumstances, even if it’s possible at all. How can leavers and remainers reconcile? The country is properly fractured to a historic extent. How can parties not split under those circumstances. Maybe they need to?

Maybe they should.

Chukka and his mob took the initiative, they could form New Labour. Benefit being people know exactly what they are voting for, they could even get a charismatic remain friendly figurehead.

Meanwhile Tory remainers could remain, as per status quo, as the Conservatives whilst the leavers take the Unionist banner.

they could even get a charismatic remain friendly figurehead.

Rumour has it they were trying to poach Ruth Davidson.

Rumour has it they were trying to poach Ruth Davidson

Must’ve been a fair size of pan.

Having a remain figurehead maybe a bit too late as the UK will have left the EU so remain/leave become things of the past.
In reality they won’t be all that different from Labour policies, neither are the Greens, neither are SNP and even the Lib Dems are not really that different. So everyone against the Tories then but now splitting the anti tory vote across 3 or 4 parties, i.e tories in forever.

Not just Derek Hatton back, George Galloway is being welcomed back in to the fold too

Welcome to 1981 folks!

Welcome to 1981 folks!

At least the pictures you post will be more relevant.

George Galloway is being welcomed back in to the fold too

You really need to improve your reading materials. Someone saying they should be admitted isnt the same as them being so. Like a pledge to a party not being a pledge to a “glorious leader”

Are you signing up for the funny tinge party?
Be careful since in their already fine tradition of open ethics currently donations are going to a private company.
Although in fairness they have already managed to reduce racism in the Labour party.

13 MPs lost since the 2017 election.

Be careful since in their already fine tradition of open ethics currently donations are going to a private company.

Err, no – see my previous post.

Not just Derek Hatton back, George Galloway is being welcomed back in to the fold too

In many ways I rate George Galloway, he’s a sharp cookie. I’d forgotten why/how he left the labour party and checked on Wikipedia:

In 2003, Galloway was expelled from the Labour Party, having been found guilty by the party’s national constitutional committee of four of the five charges of bringing the party into disrepute,[2] including having called on Arabs to fight British troops

….I remember why Hatton went but a quick reminder for anyone who’s forgotten, again from wikipedia:

Hatton was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 for belonging to Militant which had earlier been found to be in breach of the Labour Party’s constitution. Hatton argued that Militant was a legitimate Marxist tendency within the Labour Party, but the National Executive Committee voted to expel him by 12 votes to 6.

I wonder how popular those CVs will be with floating voters?

So everyone against the Tories then but now splitting the anti tory vote across 3 or 4 parties, i.e tories in forever.

Before these 7 resignations Corbyn/Momentum couldn’t beat the worst Government in living memory after years of austerity and in a time when the economy has/had failed to pick up despite nearly a decade of monetary stimulus. …and while they’re presiding over the utter chaos of Brexit. With any sane opposition the current government would be unelectable. So a more credible viewpoint is that an unelectable fanatical group have taken over Labour, denying the core Labour vote to anyone who could win. If Momentum hadn’t taken over Labour the Torys would already be out because the only thing with greater election losing prowess than May is Corbyn and Momentum.

BLASPHEMER!!!

It’ll be off to the gulag for you comrade, come the glorious socialist day of reckoning!

Err, no – see my previous post.

err the quote you provide supports the fact it is a company.
Which also shows how utterly halfarsed they currently are. Asking for donations but not actually forming a party and being a tad vague on their plans to do so.

I mean, come on, Labour would never repeat the same mistakes they made in the past would they?

Really great news. Welcome to the largest centre-left party in Europe @DegsyHatton https://t.co/KeL5vNn0HT

— Aaron Bastani (@AaronBastani) February 18, 2019

The terminally deluded who think that Jezza’s socialist revolution is just around the corner should probably give this a read…

@dissonance whereas your statement implies something shady. They are quite open about the “company” being the most convenient temporary mechanism to handle donations in an open manner. I’ve no bias towards or against the seven. As for forming a new party, it might just be that they don’t know, nothing wrong with that, eminently sensible really as they aren’t making promises they might not end up keeping.

As for Corbyn – he’s as incompetent as I would be in that role.

whereas your statement implies something shady.

So who are these funds going to and for what? What happens to those funds if they dont form a party. How are those funds going to be audited?
Bearing in mind some news which was lost yesterday was the report into facebook and the dubious funding strategies I would have thought they would be going for whiter than white rather than “convenient”.
It is also rather inaccurate to claim that they have been open about it. Read the website.
You need to go down to the smallprint and “The Independent Group of MPs is supported by Gemini A Ltd a company limited by guarantee. “. The “openness” came when specifically called on it.

You’ve conveniently ignored the word “temporary”, which since in a previous post you described the seven MPs as “scum” is hardly surprising. What do you want them to do? State that Miss Jones is heading down to WH Smith to spend £2.97 on a packet of biros?

Gavin Shuker was asked about it and he was open and explicit about the “company” and the reasons behind it. On the basis that he and the other six wanted to make an impact with their leaving the Labour party they were hardly likely to head down to the electoral commission and ask for the paperwork. A registered company has to supply audited accounts BTW.

Dissonance dissonance in full effect again. Anyway … companies … opaqueness … etc …

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inside-the-complex-snarl-of-companies-which-control-the-pro

described the seven MPs as “scum”

Surely not.

You’ve conveniently ignored the word “temporary

No I havent. I just dont consider it relevant.

which since in a previous post you described the seven MPs as “scum”

No I **** havent! So try again.

Gavin Shuker was asked about it and he was open and explicit about the “company” and the reasons behind it

Here is a hint. When you want to be open you dont wait to be asked about it. You state it loudly and clearly. So again. Go and look at the website and see where it states that its going to a company.
Preferably try paying a bit more attention though than you did with your accusations against me.

Oh dear Corbyn, McCkluskey & the other Lexiters really have ballsed up.

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 39%
LAB: 34%
"A new centrist party opposed to Brexit": 8%
LDEM: 6%
UKIP: 5%
GRN: 2%

via @Survation, 18 Feb

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) February 18, 2019

That all depends on whether you were ever serious about being elected and governing in the first place

Much easier to sit back and wave your placards, while letting the opposition get on with policies you broadly agree with but are too cowardly to say so, in case the terminally gullible stop singing your name at festivals

That all depends on whether you were ever serious about being elected and governing in the first place

The MPs who just formed the funny tinged company certainly aren’t. It’s nothing better than a dirty protest.

Erm… ok

Not a reflection of exasperation felt by many who feel politically abandoned between the juvenile 6th form-ism of Corbyns labour party and the angry gammon pensioner-ism of the Tory party then?

When you want to be open you dont wait to be asked about it.

And then lie about it? Momentum style? Check my link about the companies used to set up and facilitate Momentum.

juvenile 6th form-ism

Yeah, you can tell they are 6 formers by the monty python references.

Not a great choice of wording there by Jeremy, but that clearly distorts the message he was giving.

more than not just a great choice as he said that they ‘choose’ that lifestyle a number of times, so clearly that is what he believes, not that they were born into it.

Not a reflection of exasperation felt by many who feel politically abandoned between the juvenile 6th form-ism of Corbyns labour party and the angry gammon pensioner-ism of the Tory party then?

You are absolutely the last person who should be criticizing people for juvenile behaviour. I don’t suppose it’s occurred to you that many felt abandoned by Labour for years, but recognized that the movement was bigger than the leader we happened to disagree with.

If the funny tinged cohort actually form a party, produce a manifesto, and seek election then I would have some respect for them. As it is, all they’re doing is taking their ball home.

Corbyn, McCkluskey & the other Lexiters really have ballsed up.

Not exactly overwhelming numbers for them is it? Although would probably be enough to let the ERG rule the roost.
Which does beg the question why they decided now. Last year I can understand but now?
As for the Lexiteers not being happy. The righteers are very happy about it with Hunt using it as a reason to argue why the hard right should be listened to.
Might be different if some tories jump ship but it could well be counterproductive and put the maybot even more under the sway of the ERG.

And then lie about it? Momentum style?

Good attempt at whataboutery. Personally I dont like Momentum either but lets stick to the subject at hand which is this new party/maybe a movement/maybe something else.
Not a good start given it was done on the same day as a major report onto just how troublesome opaque funding has been for facebook ads.

I dont like Momentum either but lets stick to the subject at hand which is this new party/maybe a movement/maybe something else.

Momentum is Labour’s problem. The thread is about Labour’s problem.

7 resignations is *far* less of a problem than Momentum. And if it does grow into a party it will be a problem for all the parties, not just Labour.

So the subject at hand is Momentum: Why don’t you like them?

Most importantly though, why isn’t there a Downfall meme about yesterday? 🙁

Downfall memes stopped being funny last time there was a Labour government.

By the next time we get a Labour government they will have made it firmly into the ‘vintage comedy gold’ category, much as we view Laurel and Hardy these days.

Did Binners switch to reading the Daily Mail? Has anyone actually seen a picture of Jeremy Corbyn’s magic “Stop Brexit” button? Is there something I’m missing in seven MPs leaving Labour, supposedly over racism, then one of them immediately saying something racist on the telly?

I’ve not looked in any of the politics threads for a few years. Can anyone give me a quick recap?

I think one thing that surprises me more than anything in this tale. The people here, on S’Media and within the Labour Party who are shouting traitor to the MPs who’ve left and anyone who dares to suggest they agree with them, or even understand why they did it are shouting at Labour voters, or former Labour voters anyway.

This sums up Momentum to me, they’re so absolutely sure that they’re right, that they don’t seem to care about how many of their allies they alienate to preserve the purity of their cause.

I’ll never vote for Labour again under the current leadership, it’s not bitterness, but I’m absolutely sure they don’t have my interests at heart, nor offer a credible plan that would make the UK better over-all.

When was the last time we had a ‘true’ socialist Goverment? Not under Blair or Brown that’s for sure, Callaghan, Wilson and Attlee were more centric than Corbyn.

JC will never be prime minister, than that’s what’s playing into Tory hands, not 7 MPs who are trying to drag us back from the brink of Brexit.

That lovable old Champagne Trotskyite Degsy is just about to be interviewed on Five Live to tell us all how welcome he feels back in Corbyns labour party

Thats sure to win those swing voters in marginal seats over, eh?

FFS! No wonder they’re all for Brexit on the Labour Front Bench. They’re turned shooting themselves in the foot into an artform

<p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>As Derek Hatton returns to the Labour Party, here is Neil Kinnock taking on the Militant Tendency in Bournemouth, 1985<br><br>&quot;I’ll tell you what happens with impossible promises…&quot; pic.twitter.com/trW9ebG1o7</p>&mdash; Tides Of History (@labour_history) February 18, 2019

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Not a reflection of exasperation felt by many who feel politically abandoned between the juvenile 6th form-ism of Corbyns labour party and the angry gammon pensioner-ism of the Tory party then?

You summed up my feelings quite nicely there Binners.
I don’t delve into the political threads on STW very often but i was interested to see if much frothing was happening about this action.
It feels a bit too late for anything meaningful to happen unfortunately, but it would be nice to have a credible centrist option for once