Just catching John McDonnell’s speech on 5Live.

It’s about 70% clapping at the moment.

Listening to it too.

Can I just confirm….

Labour lost the last election, didn’t they?

Absolute boy.

Thornberry queen of sass, mocking Johnson 😉

Labour lost the last election, didn’t they?

They did. But they’re really gathering momentum.

I see what you did there. Nice one Jamie.

C’mon! The joke wasn’t that laboured.

Listening to it too.

Can I just confirm….

Labour lost the last election, didn’t they?

Yeah, but everyone lost the last election, and they lost it less then expected, but still more than the Tories lost it.

TBH the current version of the Labour Party is dead to me, I switched back to them at the 11th hour as I was promised by our Local MP they’d fight Brexit, or a least ‘Hard Brexit’ which has proven to be total BS.

Corbyn and his squad have gone back to type, Purge anyone who doesn’t sing from the handbook, ban journalists who don’t write what he thinks – seems there’s no room for debate in a far-left socialist utopia.

Corbyn and his squad have gone back to type, Purge anyone who doesn’t sing from the handbook, ban journalists who don’t write what he thinks – seems there’s no room for debate in a far-left socialist utopia.

That may be true but it’s been 100pc successful. The Labour Party is now theirs and if Corbyn went under a bus tomorrow he would be replaced with a like minded candidate. There won’t be a moderate Labour leader for decades. Perhaps ever.

Labour lost the last election, didn’t they?

Yes. …but the left have got Labour for good.

It’s going to be interesting to see if this uneasy truce between Jezza and his MPs can hold for the week, particularly over their somewhat contradictory attitude to Brexit. I suppose with a hall full of Momentum disciples I’d probably be inclined to keep my head down.

I know that a lot of people like Andy Burnham and Sadiq Kahn, who may not be singing from the same hymn sheet, have been asked not to bother turning up this year. They certainly won’t be addressing the faithful. I’m sure Tom Watson is probably locked in a cellar somewhere

Listening to John McDonnell’s speech the country is about to be delivered the socialist utopia for which it has yearned for decades. I worry that the echo chamber has taken the less-shit-than-expected election result as a ringing endorsement of Corbyns core policies, and are far too conveniently discounting what a truly dire and hopeless campaign the Tory’s ran.

Either way, I doubt the majority of voters are going to be hearing much to enthuse about either this week or next, as both parties gallop off towards their respective outer fringes, leaving a yawning great chasm in the middle, marked ‘none of the above’

Cant argue that this is the leftist labour conference I can remember
at the same time, policies like ditching PFI & renationalising rail are hugely popular with voters accross the political spectrum.

silly that they are not debating brexit, but its all the Tories can talk about and look what its doing to them.

It seems to me that corbyn and co are better at playing politics in these interesting times than many give them credit for

Either way, I doubt the majority of voters are going to be hearing much to enthuse about either this week or next, as both parties gallop off towards their respective outer fringes, leaving a yawning great chasm in the middle, marked ‘none of the above’

Yup. Sadly that’s how I see things too.

Groundhog half century ?

It seems to me that corbyn and co are better at playing politics in these interesting times than many give them credit for

You must be consuming different media to me, seems to me that most commentators think Corbyn has played it perfectly politically. This was never about winning elections, it’s was about taking over the party. That’s happened. The left are now secure, if Corbyn goes under a bus he’ll be replaced by another hard left candidate.

You’d be hard pushed to find a commentator who doesn’t agree with that analysis.

It seems to me that Corbyn and co are better at playing politics in these interesting times than many give them credit for

I wouldn’t dispute that. But just look at the absolute shambles they’re facing? The Tory conference next week is going to be an absolute car crash of vicious factional in-fighting. They’re in the full throws of it already, and there’s a week to go!

All labour has to do is vaguely keep it together to look more like a statesmanlike and competent government-in-waiting, in comparison. But just because the truce is holding, for now, I doubt that behind the scenes they’re much more united than those opposite.

There is only one game in town right now… Brexit. The vast majority of Labour MPs are pro-EU, The vast majority of labour members are pro-EU and The vast majority of Labour voters are pro-EU, but the leadership is instinctively anti-EU and has been for decades.

That can’t hold, long-term. The question is if Jezza can cope with shifting his position. I think the election, and policy on Brexit since has showed that he’s a bit more pragmatic than we’d been led to believe

Heres hoping! Though from what he’s said over the weekend, I’m not optimistic

What a ••••ing mess!

Are their 2 sh*tter leaders than Corbyn and May. The next fortnight is going to be a car crash for politics in general. No one is a winner from those two idiots leading our main parties.

No one is a winner from those two idiots leading our main parties.

Vince might be…

That’s happened. The left are now secure, if Corbyn goes under a bus he’ll be replaced by another hard left candidate.

You’d be hard pushed to find a commentator who doesn’t agree with that analysis.

the same comentators that decided he would be obliterated by a tory landslide?

Corbyns popularity & the lefts hold on labour are precarious, his surprise showing at the GE had many factors-
partly an anti-establishment kickback that also delivered brexit
+ a youth vote pissed off at austerity & brexit
that core of hard lefties in momentum loose power when he does- because its the same things keeping them both in place

kimbers – Member

silly that they are not debating brexit, but its all the Tories can talk about and look what its doing to them.

That’s because the Tories are (just about!) in government and Brexit is the most important issue in government for decades. It’s easy in opposition as there’s no need for firm policies other than those which will win over undecideds at the next election – hence renationalising the railways.

Labour is in a mess over Brexit – McDonnell fudged it this morning as ‘building a consensus within the party’ – and they’re taking the opportunity to avoid the difficult questions this week.

Corbyns popularity & the lefts hold on labour are precarious

indeed. Which is why their priority is to change the electoral rules so that they need to get fewer nominations to be put forward before you can be on a leadership ballot.

Labour MPs may be keeping quiet for the time being, but their position hasn’t shifted that much. Corbyn knows that the bottom line is that when he retires, the present electoral system won’t be allowing him to appoint a successor in his mould because Labour MPs won’t wear it, no matter how many Momentum members shout at them

he same comentators that decided he would be obliterated by a tory landslide?

Yes, but in their defence, those commentators spotted May was s**t long before most of ‘us’.

Corbyns popularity & the lefts hold on labour are precarious, his surprise showing at the GE had many factors-
partly an anti-establishment kickback that also delivered brexit
+ a youth vote pissed off at austerity & brexit that core of hard lefties in momentum loose power when he does- because its the same things keeping them both in place

I hope so but I doubt it. The Labour’s been under threat from the left for decades. Now they’re in control. I really can’t see how/why they’d give up. Saying their (already poor) appeal to voters will be short lived doesn’t help – they don’t care about votes.

indeed. Which is why their priority is to change the electoral rules so that they need to get fewer nominations to be put forward before you can be on a leadership ballot.

Labour MPs may be keeping quiet for the time being, but their position hasn’t shifted that much. Corbyn knows that the bottom line is that when he retires, the present electoral system won’t be allowing him to appoint a successor in his mould because Labour MPs won’t wear it, no matter how many Momentum members shout at them

He’s already lowered the nomination requirement:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/09/jeremy-corbyn-secures-big-victory-labours-national-executive-committee

The left have the party, for good.

There won’t be a moderate Labour leader for decades. Perhaps ever.

A glance at policies across many European governments would tell you that Corbyn is a moderate.

Labour MPs may be keeping quiet for the time being, but their position hasn’t shifted that much.

You mean that they’re petulant children who can’t bring themselves to support the outcome of two leadership elections?

Yes, but in their defence, those commentators spotted May was s**t long before most of ‘us’.

woooooaaaahhhh there

some of us have being saying she was useless for quite some time, during the leadership election her failings were pointed out by quite a few comentators, including the torygraph + spectator (tho that was more to back Borris), her record at the home office was an obvious red flag she just seemed like the sensible option compared to the rest & many a righty got all nostalgic over the thatcher thing

You mean that they’re petulant children who can’t bring themselves to support the outcome of two leadership elections? invasions?

FTFY 😉

A glance at policies across many European governments would tell you that Corbyn is a moderate.

Really? How many European Governments are supporting leaving the EU/EEA? How many European Governments have been campaigning to leave the EEA for three or four decades?

Really? How many European Governments are supporting leaving the EU/EEA?

But we had a referendum that was then voted through parliament. We’ve already triggered article 50. It’s fine that we’re protesting against leaving, but you can’t really expect Corbyn to. All they can do is put forward their ‘deal’ and oppose particular aspects.

All I heard on the radio was some berk quoting the Parrot Sketch from Monty Python.. dear god, that’s about the dumbest thing he’s ever done Shirley ?

Once the filly busters have had thier way I’m interested to hear what the policies and groundswell of the conference actually is.

At least PFI is being talked about.

Credit card interest cap is interesting.

The Mash raises a valid point

Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies said: “There may be some public interest in Labour’s policies but it’s more likely voters thought, ‘I’d rather vote for a dead squirrel than May.’

Ohh, very well played there Prof..

He has a point though..

Really? How many European Governments are supporting leaving the EU/EEA? How many European Governments have been campaigning to leave the EEA for three or four decades?

The Labour party campaigned to remain in the EU, and lost. Are you suggesting that they should ignore the referendum?

Any chance of actually talking about the content of the conference?

McDonnell:

.. how exactly are we going to manage these industries when we take them back into public ownership? And let’s start doing the detailed work now.

Let’s start doing the consultations with consumers or passengers or whoever and also with local authorities and local councils or whoever.

Impressive if it happens. Doing actual work to try and do a good job of something and produce what people want. Refreshing change…

? is Guido Fawkes blog stuff vaguely reliable or is biased tosh ??

Reliable, they have a pop at both Labour and Tories equally.

I see Labour has managed to shoot itself in the foot again over anti-Semitism. Jackie Walker is back at the Fringe although banned from the main Conference. The “free speech” event over Zionism banned recording and tweeting as people’s words would be “mis-interpreted” – oh the irony.

Silence from the Labour leadership following their latest conference anti-Semitism crisis. The chief of the Equality and Human Rights Commission Rebecca Hilsenrath says they are in danger of being seen as a racist party:

“Anti-Semitism is racism and the Labour Party needs to do more to establish that it is not a racist party. A zero tolerance approach to anti-Semitism should mean just that. When senior party ?gures are saying there is a problem then the leadership should take swift action. It is not acceptable to simply say they oppose these views. These comments by party members show more needs to be done to root out anti-Semitic views that clearly exist in the party. Any suggestion of kicking people out of any political party on the grounds of race or religion should be condemned.”

towzer – Member

? is Guido Fawkes blog stuff vaguely reliable or is biased tosh ?? One of the most biased sites around. It’s like the right’s version of The Canary.
It’s not surprising that Jamba thinks it’s neutral. He probably thinks he is too.
Just look at the main page and read the headlines.

guido any good?

considering its just guido & the daily mail trying again to smear corbyn with the anti-semitism thing again

and again (normal) people will look at the comments at a labour fringe meeting and say ‘what a dick’, even if he is a jewish israeli and not actually a party member,

also Staines’ efforts to out William Hague looked a lot more like homophobia than journalism

You can tell the Tory press are rattled. In a truly ‘couldn’t make it up’ moment the Daly Mail has today decided to dedicate its front page to the Labour Party’s alleged anti-semiticism.

Jammers is going to have to bring me up to speed about when exactly the Daily Heil started its crusade to fearlessly defend the rights of ethnic minorities. I may have missed it

But if its the Labour party conference and that’s the best they can come up with……?