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  • yunki
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    I’ve got a Joe Murray era steel Voodoo which makes an ace rigid SS bimbler/pub bike.
    It’s pretty good fun on smoother trails and woody singletrack, with a singular fork to slacken the angles, fat tyres and sweepy bars.

    My other half is looking for a better mtb on the bike to work scheme now that she has paid her dues on a BSO across the Quantocks and Dartmoor..
    The 2017 cinder cone has had some great reviews, the frame is said to be a really clever use of aluminium.
    Looks as good as anything else in the same price range so it’s now a toss up between the kona and a whyte, depending on which feels better on a test ride.

    garlic
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    Innovative bikes in the 90s but will not compare to a modern MTB. Old components were rubbish and frames had too short a wheelbase and the wheels were too small. basically, buying a 20+ year old MTB as your main off-road rig is chucking 20+ years of understanding and innovation in the bin.

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    Old components were rubbish

    Hm, bombproof thumbshifters, knee-friendly stems, everlasting bottom brackets, mud-friendly sprocket spacing…? Sure, some old stuff was rubbish. Plenty of it wasn’t.

    too short a wheelbase and the wheels were too small

    Nimble, chuckable, easily manualed, works for me. YMMV.

    buying a 20+ year old MTB as your main off-road rig is chucking 20+ years of understanding and innovation in the bin

    If your MTBing mostly comprises fast descending on big rocks, then yeah, pretty much. If it mostly comprises swoopy singletrack, though, then a flickable old-schooler is still a ton of fun.

    Ride what you like, innit.

    Spin
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    If your MTBing mostly comprises fast descending on big rocks, then yeah, pretty much. If it mostly comprises swoopy singletrack, though, then a flickable old-schooler is still a ton of fun.

    This.

    Whether you’ll enjoy a retro bike is really down to your expectations. If you expect it to be like a modern bike then you’ll be disappointed but if you take it for what it is and use it appropriately then it’ll be a gas.

    Personally I’d suggest going fully rigid and single speed on such a machine so that you can really savour its qualities.

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    I’ve got some folding Smoke and Dart tyres in the loft someone can have for the cost of postage .

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    My brother has owned from new a 1998? Kileaua (mustard yellow colour frame).

    thats what this started out as, got it powdercoated pink, had ss ends welded on the end, skinny silver rigid forks, magura hydraulic rim brakes, i loved that bike. twangy, light and went like stink! cant even remember selling it now, but i wish i hadnt.

    Personally I’d suggest going fully rigid and single speed on such a machine so that you can really savour its qualities.

    ^ I second this approach, even if my body doesn’t/didn’t 8)

    Single (or dingle) speed butted-cromo-rockets are fun, like BMX/MTB crossover for should’ve-grown-ups. And never underestimate the power and feel of some well set-up V brakes. Deore are all you need in that department. Magura HS like wot sadexpunk had there are even better.

    Middleburn cranks? Suits me sir. I see another interminable MLC/retrovision purchase on the horizon. Must. Stop. Must. See. Sense.

    Because of this discussion I just checked my 2016 Vagabond (M) geometry against an old steel Kona (’97, 18″), and they really aren’t that far off. Head-angles are the same, wheelbase is a cm longer on Vagabond.

    Premier Icon Andy R
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    Anyone ridden an old Kona 69er style?

    I had a ’95 Explosif that I used like that for a year or two – singlespeed with Trickstuff Exzentriker BB, Salsa Cromoto forks and Magura Marta brakes.
    I did originally use it with a 26″ wheel and rigid forks but prefered it with the 29″ front wheel, although back then I couldn’t find forks with any more than 38mm offset. Now, of course, I’d use a Singular Hummingbird/Gryphon fork….

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=46458&start=0

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    Oooooooo… are we posting pictures of our old Cinder Cones. My old one isn’t a ‘proper’ one as its not steel. Great bike though. And still alive in single speed mode with another forum member…

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    Just started restoring a 98 Scott Tampico. Think it’s when Scott first started using aluminium frames?

    could do with some better, or rigid forks to replace the Rockshox Indy S 🙂

    Sorry andy I edited my post re 69er after the event. Useful info, thanks. That blue Explosif of yours looks the shniz. I hankered after a Haro Mary SS for a good while and now wonder now how much of it was down to the fetching blue colour :mrgreen:

    (Wishes old Konas were 29ers)

    So what would be the nearest modern 29er equivalent of the classic 90s steel Cinder Cone/Lava Dome frameset? The Unit?

    Premier Icon Andy R
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    Somewhere there are photos of it with the 29″ front wheel but I haven’t found them yet. I stopped using it once I got my first Singular Hummingbird though. It was light, lighter than the ‘bird but didn’t handle as well.

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    In a little over 2 hours I shall be riding my 93 Hahana back from the station to home – in a suit.
    Rigid with 2.3 Big Apples, and a pannier rack, looks terrible, rides brilliantly – perfect leave it in town bike.
    £50 off that there Ebay.

    So what would be the nearest modern 29er equivalent of the classic 90s steel Cinder Cone/Lava Dome frameset?

    Singular Swift?

    Premier Icon binners
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    While we’re on to old 90’s steel things. My old 99 Reynolds 525 GT Timberline, set up for commuting duties….

    Frame purchased for a tenner off ebay, stripped back to its ovalsed, beautifully brazed loveliness, powder coated, then pitted with Pace 36’s. Retro-Tactic!

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    Zippykona I’d have those tyre please 🙂

    scu98rkr
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    Is this a serious question ?
    What do u mean by MTBing are you going to be cycling on the same trails as your cyclocross or bigger stuff ?

    If your doing bigger stuff obviously a newer bike will be much much better.
    If your doing local bridleways etc then a new mtb will still be better.

    Its fun to go back and ride a retro bike, but if you havent ridden a MTB in 15 years I think it would be more fun to get something new and see how that rides first.

    If its local bridleways a 29er might be a good call.

    Premier Icon Andy R
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    I wouldn’t go out and buy one, just for the sake of having a bike to ride but there are one or two that I wouldn’t mind owning and riding just for the pleasure of using nice objects. My Explosif I’ve had since ’88 anyway, so I really can’t see me parting with it now – why would I? It still gets ridden from time to time, mostly on group rides to give all the cool young dudes something to laugh about – and then they soon realise that there’s not that much to laugh about after all.

    The popular opinion is that these old bikes were/are only good for nice smooth fireroads and grassy lanes – the funny thing is, some of us were riding these much the same places as we ride now on a lot newer machinery. I don’t remember being cautious or slow and mincy either. Those old pre-90’s Konas are actually good handling bikes, not plush and compliant but they do handle well if you trust them and just let them go. I used to say that my old Explosif knows every good line on every climb and descent around here.

    I’ve had some great times on it – some of the best riding and racing days of my life, never to be repeated now, that’s for sure.

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    I keep my Cindercone largely retro. It’s a ’95 model with some ’97 parts. Riding it is a joy, it still devours miles efficiently and tight singletrack is heavenly. Not as good in steep descents but I wouldn’t use it for that now…

    If you want a taste of 90’s Kona feel in a modern package – get a Soul. The best Kona that Kona don’t make.

    ctk
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    If your 6ft ish or more consider a rigid 29er like a Singular Swift.

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