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  • Premier Icon mrmo
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    state-owned railway are now seen as far left.

    no, just state owned doesn’t mean good, it also doesn’t mean bad. Take a look at Japan or Switzerland. The issue is investment and how the railways are run and not who actually runs them.

    Premier Icon sootyandjim
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    Luciana Berger should have been the clue that it was far from recent. Read before posting. Now you’ve got me thinking about the way she was pushed out of the party…

    Just a point of order. Luciana Berger wasn’t “pushed out of the party”, she jumped before she was deselected and dressed it up as a statement against ‘anti-semitism’.

    She was in danger of being deselected due to her incredibly Blairite views going against those of a traditionally socialist-leaning constituency, a situation that only existed due her being parachuted into a safe Labour seat seemingly as reward from popping Euan Blair’s cherry.

    Premier Icon mattyfez
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    Good to know corbyn will stand down, probably 3 years overdue, give or take.

    Premier Icon binners
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    A good article in this mornings Guardian

    It’s shit or bust for Project Corbyn

    The mood music from Labour seems to be that everyone knows Grandad will lose another general election and is preparing for what happens then. All suitably self-indulgent of them while the rest of us are doomed to Brexit and 5 years of Joris Bohnson and a government of far right headbangers

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    Premier Icon rone
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    The mood music from Labour seems to be that everyone knows Grandad will lose another general election and is preparing for what happens then

    Clearly your crystal ball is well polished because people can’t predict anything these days.

    Premier Icon rone
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    Binner – Guardian’s Toynbee (bit of a flip flop admittedly) is quite upbeat about Labour.

    Johnson’s desperate for a general election, but he faces an unpleasant surprise

    Bojo unpleasant suprise …

    Premier Icon rone
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    Comres had Tories 10pts ahead pre 2017 election.

    Premier Icon binners
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    This isn’t the 2017 election. Corbyn is now a known quantity.

    And Joris Bohnson isn’t the Maybot

    All the noises coming out of the Labour Party, including John McDonnels interview today, sound like they’re resigned to the fact that they’ve already lost. Which they have with someone as crap as Corbyn (apparently) at the helm

    Anyone heard from him for the last week or so? No? Thought not. Well.. not much going on politically, so you might as well take the opportunity to spend some time on the allotment

    Premier Icon sootyandjim
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    Anyone heard from him for the last week or so? No? Thought not.

    And yet, not more than a day ago you posted this on this very thread;

    It was on Channel 4 news.

    There he was, in all his glory. Like a local councillor at a town hall meeting reading out the proposals for some new traffic calming measures on the B375

    Stirring stuff.

    Maybe it didn’t get full coverage as most TV channels don’t want their audience going all sleepy bo-bo’s and missing their latest drama that follows the news?

    So yes, people have heard from him, you among them. Even for you this is an outstanding level of willful ignorance, or perhaps its part of an “Edge Lord” persona you’re desperately trying to craft?

    Go on, post something about 6th Formers or one of those ‘hilarious’ Monty Python things, wouldn’t want it to seem like you’re coming up with anything new to compliment your tiresome repertoire.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Premier Icon edhornby
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    Can everyone stop quoting yougov as a reliable indicator of polling? It’s owned and run by bloody Nadim Zahawi

    Premier Icon big_n_daft
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    Just a point of order. Luciana Berger wasn’t “pushed out of the party”, she jumped before she was deselected and dressed it up as a statement against ‘anti-semitism’.

    She was in danger of being deselected due to her incredibly Blairite views going against those of a traditionally socialist-leaning constituency, a situation that only existed due her being parachuted into a safe Labour seat seemingly as reward from popping Euan Blair’s cherry.

    This puzzles me, was it:
    1. There wasn’t any anti semitism directed to her and she lied about it?
    2. There was anti semitism directed at her, but not enough to justify leaving the party and she lied about her reasons for going but not the anti semitism?

    Could you explain for the avoidance of doubt?

    Premier Icon sootyandjim
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    This puzzles me, was it:
    1. There wasn’t any anti semitism directed to her and she lied about it?
    2. There was anti semitism directed at her, but not enough to justify leaving the party and she lied about her reasons for going but not the anti semitism?

    Could you explain for the avoidance of doubt?

    Neither were relevant to why she left the Labour Party, she purely used ‘anti-semitism’ as her excuse. She has form for throwing around claims of anti-semitism when she doesn’t get her own way or feels her opinions are in the minority. It’s quite shameful that she does so with such ease when, in doing so, she actually undermines the fight against true anti-semitism.

    As an aside it’s interesting that a former National Executive member of the NUS is happy to jump into bed with a party leader who…

    …voted to cut the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16-to-19-year-olds and voted to raise tuition fees, despite promising not to as one of the key policies that helped elect many Lib Dem MPs in 2010.

    Seems Ms Berger has an incredibly flexible and, at times, convenient set of principles.

    Premier Icon big_n_daft
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    Neither were relevant to why she left the Labour Party, she purely used ‘anti-semitism’ as her excuse. She has form for throwing around claims of anti-semitism when she doesn’t get her own way or feels her opinions are in the minority. It’s quite shameful that she does so with such ease when, in doing so, she actually undermines the fight against true anti-semitism.

    Clever dodge

    So
    1. There wasn’t any anti semitism directed to her and she lied about it?
    2. There was anti semitism directed at her, but not enough to justify leaving the party and she lied about her reasons for going but not the anti semitism?
    3. She didn’t experience “true” anti semitism, and used her perceived experience of “not true” anti semitism to damage the labour party

    Could you explain for the avoidance of doubt?

    Premier Icon sootyandjim
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    Not a “dodge” at all and, for the avoidance of doubt, I’ve already answered your question.

    Oh, and it’s worth remembering that criticism of the State of Israel isn’t anti-Semitism.

    Premier Icon rone
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    All the noises coming out of the Labour Party, including John McDonnels interview today, sound like they’re resigned to the fact that they’ve already lost

    Did you watch all of the JM interview? I did.

    He did not allude to that or say that at all. He said he thinks/hopes they can secure a majority.

    Even your mate Jess Phillips who hates any positivity about the Labour Party has gone on record as saying she thinks they could get the most votes (even if it’s not enough.)

    “On Labour’s chances at the next election, which could happen by the end of the year, Ms Phillips said it was “not impossible” for the party to win more seats than anyone else.”

    It’s difficult and unpredictable times, and it’s not 2017 for sure.

    You’ve moved beyond scathing opinion and into believing your own fantasy which is disappointingly propped up by misinformation.

    Premier Icon rone
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    Can everyone stop quoting yougov as a reliable indicator of polling? It’s owned and run by bloody Nadim Zahawi

    Strangely it keeps getting used by the moderates in here to support the idea we as a country have moved towards remain.

    Hence the popularity (in their own polls) of the Tories and BP.

    Premier Icon big_n_daft
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    Not a “dodge” at all and, for the avoidance of doubt, I’ve already answered your question.

    Ok, so you said

    Neither were relevant to why she left the Labour Party, she purely used ‘anti-semitism’ as her excuse. She has form for throwing around claims of anti-semitism when she doesn’t get her own way or feels her opinions are in the minority. It’s quite shameful that she does so with such ease when, in doing so, she actually undermines the fight against true anti-semitism.

    And

    Oh, and it’s worth remembering that criticism of the State of Israel isn’t anti-Semitism

    So you believe she didn’t experience anti semitism

    And you are happy to repeat allegations that she exchanged sexual favours for political advancement

    a situation that only existed due her being parachuted into a safe Labour seat seemingly as reward from popping Euan Blair’s cherry.

    Lovely place Corbyn’s Labour Party

    Premier Icon binners
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    It’s the kinder, gentler politics…

    Premier Icon CaptainFlashheart
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    Oh, and it’s worth remembering that criticism of the State of Israel isn’t anti-Semitism

    What about calling someone a “shit stirring Zionist cum bucket”? I’m sure that’s just legitimate criticism of Israel as well, right?

    Premier Icon boomerlives
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    Comres had Tories 10pts ahead pre 2017 election.

    And they won it. Point?

    Premier Icon rone
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    And they won it. Point?

    That Labour made up a lot of ground.

    This stuff has been done over and over. Labour didn’t win in 2017. We all know that. But equally it was a shock that May lost her majority.

    The same arguments for being behind in the polls now are equally suspect.

    Done.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Who finished second in the Premiership in 2012?

    Or 2005?

    Or 2009?

    Who ****ing cares?

    They lost.

    Winner takes all. All that matters is the name that gets engraved on the trophy

    Premier Icon dazh
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    So at last dazh admits he is a lexit supporter

    Only in your imagination. To be a lexit supporter, you have to support brexit, which I don’t. Your assumption that only a centrist labour party can stop brexit is wrong, and it’s perfectly possible to achieve left wing aims within the EU.

    Who finished second in the Premiership in 2012?

    Politics and government isn’t a sport. If you’re going to use a football analogy though, what you’re calling for is for labour to abandon it’s principles of playing a patient passing game in favour of a more direct hoof it up to the big man approach in an effort to win at all costs even though the fans are bored rigid.

    Premier Icon nickjb
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    They lost.

    Winner takes all.

    The Tories were aiming to increase their majority to push their Brexit through. How’s that working out?

    Labour didn’t win that election, but neither did the Tories

    Premier Icon binners
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    Labour didn’t win that election, but neither did the Tories

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have had a Tory government since 2017, haven’t we? Propped up by a bunch of bigoted, creationist fruit-loops with bowler hats on, shouting ‘NO SURRENDER!” but a Tory government none the less

    Or have I been inhabiting some weird Truman Show type alternative reality where, in the real world, Jeremy won and the UK is now actually a socialist utopia?

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have had a Tory government since 2017, haven’t we?

    Yes but what have they done? Not a lot from what I can see, thanks mostly to the opposition that you always say doesn’t exist. The sport analogy is silly. It really isn’t winner takes all.

    Premier Icon binners
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    For the last 2 years, the opposition to the Tory Party has been the other half of the Tory Party. The one thats now completely taken over the party and purged the moderates or terrified them into silence.

    The labour party has been a total irrelevance during that entire time. It still is. Its spent the last 2 years sat with its thumb up its arse, disconnected and disinterested.

    If Corbyn had done what he should have done and resigned two years ago, having lost one election, things might well be different

    At least when he loses election number 2, he’ll be allowed to retire from the job he never wanted in the first place.

    Just a pity that’ll leave us poor mugs saddled with 5 years of Dom and Dommer. Still Jezza will get to retire knowing he enabled the Brexit he always wanted

    Premier Icon dissonance
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    Just a pity that’ll leave us poor mugs saddled with 5 years of Dom and Dommer.

    But hey it will be worth if the “moderates” can drag the Labour back rightwards and get rid of those tedious left wing elements to ensure we have a proper choice of politics in the country both appealing to the right wing press barons and the big bribers, sorry, keen believers in supporting parliamentary parties for entirely altruistic reasons.

    By the way got your membership yet for the new leadership election you are predicting or are you just going to whine away from the side?

    Premier Icon binners
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    I can’t see that happening either. Momentum has its firm grip of the party and when Grandad loses this election they’ll just replace him with one of his nodding dogs. It’s like the early 80’s all over again. That time it took 18 years to get to the point where they were electable again. I hope its not the same this time, for all our sakes, but looking at those with the potential to be anointed by Jezza – for thats what will happen – I’m far from optimistic

    Premier Icon nickc
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    But hey it will be worth if the “moderates” can drag the Labour back rightwards and get rid of those tedious left wing elements

    To be clear, I’m fine with the current left wing policies, I’m less fine with the membership of the communist party that many of the Labour top team have come from, (i remember all too well the sort of meetings we used to have when the communists would show up, it’s one of the reasons I stopped being active in the Labour party) but my main issue is the lack of leadership by Corbyn. I just don’t think he inspires leadership, or belief or confidence. His politics, I’m mostly OK with, the fact that he’s a hard working constituency MP is to his credit, I don’t think however he has what it takes to be the leader of the Labour party or for that matter the PM. I think (like Gordon Brown before him) he’s just a bit shit at it, and I don’t think that’s an unusual view.

    We are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet, Id just like to turn the page to the next one (if that doesn’t mange to the metaphor too much)

    Premier Icon rone
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    Premier Icon mattyfez
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    Neither red nore blue have the numbers for a majority government.

    In any GE there will have to be a two or three way agreement with the Liberal Democrats. That’s just basic maths.

    I can’t see the Liberal Democrats having any agreement with the Conservatives as they got properly dry humped by the tories in coalition.

    That’s just basic back of a fag packet maths that all the parties must be acutely aware of.

    So what will labour do? Probably nothing whilst corbyn is in charge, and that will just lead to a perpetual hung parliament. That’s not helpful to anyone.

    Corbyns refused to take a shit, so he needs to get off the potty.

    Premier Icon tjagain
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    I’ll bet the lib dems jump back into bed with the tories if the numbers add up. Swinson is far closer to them than any other party.

    Premier Icon Del
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    They have a lot more in common with Labour’s position on brexit than the Tory’s.

    Premier Icon ransos
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    By the way got your membership yet for the new leadership election you are predicting or are you just going to whine away from the side?

    He’s a Lib dem supporter now. Though I don’t suppose he’ll join them, either.

    Premier Icon TurnerGuy
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    They have a lot more in common with Labour’s position on brexit than the Tory’s.

    shame that that’s not the only issue of concern…

    Premier Icon Del
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    Which is why we need a referendum before an election.

    Premier Icon deadlydarcy
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    I‘d like to have a referendum and election on the same day. All parties have to say what they’d do after the event of Leave or Remain as their manifestos. Leavers and Remainers get to vote for the unicorn deal or the deal we have, and then get to vote for the party to lead the country through whatever follows.

    [Be a bit of a bummer for the Lib Dems, but hey ho…]

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