If by some incredibly unlikely possibility that Labour wins a general election, I’m pretty confident that we won’t get a second referendum – instead we’ll get a Labour Brexit with a deal pretty much identical to May’s.

If by some incredibly unlikely possibility that Labour wins a general election, I’m pretty confident that we won’t get a second referendum – instead we’ll get a Labour Brexit with a deal pretty much identical to May’s.

Possibly if they win a majority. But I’d say that was very unlikely. A referendum is likely a requirement of a coalition with the SNP/liberals/greens

There is now a clear commitment to a referendum with a Remain option – not that I expect Labour to campaign for that. It likely remains the best chance of stopping this whole shit show.

 of a coalition with the SNP/liberals/greens

I can’t see a coalition. Maybe some  sort of temporary voting pact. Nicola Sturgeon has her own issues to deal with. There is a vocal, and growing, demand within the independence movement for the SNP to stop trying to fix the UK and just get on with progressing independence.

There is now a clear commitment to a referendum with a Remain option – not that I expect Labour to campaign for that.

Admittedly it’s as clear as the position has ever been but…

The clear position is

GE with referendum as stated Labour policy.

Assuming they get a majority, no deal off the table therefore off the referendum.

So your referendum will be between
(a) an as yet unnegotiated Labour deal, (I think you’ll find this unicorn paraded along with a referendum in GE campaigning)
(b) remain.

Labour will campaign for their notion of a deal despite it being undeliverable.

Don’t expect a confirmative vote on any Labour deal as ref 2 will be spun as exactly that when, in 3 years time, JC isn’t getting it through the house either.

Definitely not No deal,they’ll actively campaign against that in a referendum, but that’ll only be on the ballot if Labour aren’t in power, so only if the Tories/farage give us a 2nd ref. So really, not at all.

This isn’t mine, but it is where I am right now…

https://twitter.com/sirwilliamd/status/1169014914494730240?s=21

made Johnson look like an entitled fool

Not that difficult really. But yes if Labour stick with the plan of voting against a GE to stop a no deal bexit & only go for it once that bill is through they’ll certainly go up in my estimation

The look on BJs face as his majority walked to the lib Dems was priceless

No election ?

What does Jeremy want ? Boris!
When does he want it ? Now!

The revolution’s been cancelled.

The only problem with Corbyn is that he is not a very good leader and the press and tories have made the most of that. All you hear now is how ‘you wouldn’t want a Corbyn government’ rather than ‘you wouldn’t want a Labour government’ because the Labour polices are pretty good and would actually appeal to a lot of people but policies are kept out of it by just attacking Corbyn as a person.

No election ?

Yes election.

Just not stupid enough to allow a No Deal Brexit to occur during the campaign.

The media today is awash with this “Corbyn doesn’t want an election” line from Johnson, even though he clearly does, once an A50 extension is sorted. While they are also repeating Johnson’s assertion that he himself doesn’t want an election, even though he is calling for one. Up is down. Down is up. It’s all nonsense, but they know it’ll be repeated by willing folks like yourself, and, if repeated enough, even believed by some.

an as yet unnegotiated Labour deal, (I think you’ll find this unicorn paraded along with a referendum in GE campaigning)

I think that’s either

a) always been a ruse to placate leavers or

b) involves different red lines such as FoM – after all Corbs went to talk to the EU a couple of times, I’m guessing this is what he was talking about

People on politics threads should learn to read between the lines.

He did well yesterday. Not sure it will be enough for a GE.

because the Labour polices are pretty good

Like confiscation of private property ? ( Buy to let and company shares ) ?

Why would any private citizen or corporate body invest any money in *anything*, when Labour might simply come and take it away and give it to their loyal supporters ? ( see also Zimbabwe )

Borrowing investing Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )

Communism is not the answer to any question other than “what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? “

No election ?

What does Jeremy want ? Boris!
When does he want it ? Now!

The revolution’s been cancelled.

Also no desire on the part of the opposition parties to simply take over and do the job properly. They have a bigger majority than Cameron, May and Boris post 2015.

I can’t say I blame them for shirking the responsibility, I’d do the same myself, but it’s not a good look.

Like confiscation of private property ? ( Buy to let and company shares ) ?

Why would any private citizen or corporate body invest any money in *anything*, when Labour might simply come and take it away and give it to their loyal supporters ? ( see also Zimbabwe )

Borrowing investing Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )

Communism is not the answer to any question other than “what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? “

Bless…

Also no desire on the part of the opposition parties to simply take over and do the job properly … it’s not a good look.

Stopping the clock on A50 and then seeking a mandate from voters for what you intend to do next is very much a “good look”. If Johnson had the balls to do it I’d have more respect for him.

Stopping the clock on A50 and then seeking a mandate from voters for what you intend to do next is very much a “good look”.

Great, then they should do that. They have the majority now. (Again, not that I blame them for not. We all understand the strategies of each party so we can’t really be too critical.)

Communism Conservatism is not the answer to any question other than “what is the most murderous political doctrine and what causes starving people to have to eat their own pets? “

Try googling Deaths Universal Credit

Borrowing £500,000,000,000 on day 1, when the markets will put up the cost of government borrowing to rates seen in a 3rd world country, because they know that is where Britain is headed ? ( see also Venuzuela )

Drivel.

How can a country that issues its own currency follow the same lead as a country that doesn’t.

Don’t talk rubbish

Still, at least there at front benchers of the calibre of Richard Burgon to do the media rounds when Jezza’s otherwise engaged.

#CarCrash

How can a country that issues its own currency follow the same lead as a country that doesn’t.

Eh?

Venezuelan bolívar.
UK £.

If I were Corbyn, I wouldn’t bother with a GE, his pollsters will likely be telling him he can’t win a majority.

His best course of action now, form a coalition government if he can and get 2/3 years to prove he’s actually PM material.

His best course of action now, form a coalition government if he can and get 2/3 years to prove he’s actually PM material.

Why would the opposition parties want the blame for Brexit/Failing to Brexit?

The opposition parties are in total control now. They can take over the government or force an election as soon as they wish. They’re not doing it because they want the problem of Brexit to be Boris’s, not their and in the case of an election because they think that what came after would be worse for them. [1] That’s understandable, I’d do the same, but let’s not pretend their motives are in any way admirable.

No party leadership has any freedom of movement here, they’re all hostages to fortune desperately picking the least disastrous way through a minefield.

[1] The liberals could find themselves forced to be in a coalition Government as they were in 2008, Labour could be beaten, or worse win and take the Blame for Brexit!

Family connections will only get you so far in life:

#thefew

I’d never heard of him ’till I saw him on TV yesterday and he was equally tied up in knots then.

In his defence he was trying to do the decent thing and answer the question. A more skilled/devious/experienced politician would have ignored the question and stayed on message.

Negotiating a great deal and then campaigning against it isn’t that much more mental than everyone else’s Brexit policy.

You can see why the leadership don’t put themselves up for “Today”.

Try googling Deaths Universal Credit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Nice trolling. You clearly don’t think Corbyn’s policies and the way they would be implemented are the same as a communist regime, do you?

Negotiating a great deal and then campaigning against it isn’t that much more mental than everyone else’s Brexit policy.

It is not mental at all. If people asked me to get the best deal I could I would do that. However that does not mean it will be a better deal that I think we already have

In his defence he was trying to do the decent thing and answer the question. A more skilled/devious/experienced politician would have ignored the question and stayed on message.

That is my take on it. Interviewer had a very clear agenda and was being a tool. He shouldn’t have gone along with it really but I prefer that to the usual dodging of the question

Cranberry,

Seeing as you have discovered wikipedia, maybe look up the difference between socialism and communism?

And for homework, democracy vs dictatorships.

A socialist at the head of a democracy is not a communist dictatorship. In the same way Boris isn’t Benito Mussolini despite both being right wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

How is this even remotely relevant?

It is a sign of just how far to the right British politics has lurched when Corbyn’s policies, which would be considered very centre left in Northern European countries, are being called “Communist” by political illiterates such as yourself.

Perhaps you’d find more support for your comments in the Daily Express comments section?

It is not mental at all. If people asked me to get the best deal I could I would do that.

Really, so if you worked for the EU and had (say) 2000 civil servants at your disposal, and JC came to you and said “Whatever you do I’m going to campaign against, but can you and your staff bust a gut to flesh out a deal for me to campaign against?” you’d think “Yeah great well get right on it and come up with something credible/desirable.”. Or would you get them working on something slightly more important?

Boris isn’t Benito Mussolini

yet

Cranberry is just sore because he paid to join Labour & voted for Corbyn to shaft Labour then came on here to brag about it

Of course Corbyn has seen off 2 Tory PMs and now has Johnson by the balls- won’t give him the election he desperately needs to see off farage & corbs is laughing his ethically sourced fairtrade cotton socks off as he watches bozo destroy his own party on the orders of Dominic cummings

corbs is laughing his ethically sourced fairtrade cotton socks off as he watches bozo destroy his own party on the orders of Dominic cummings

I said months ago that I thought the goal of labour’s brexit policy and Corbyn’s leadership was to ensure they held the party together long enough to ensure the tories destroyed themselves first. It’s would appear to have been spectacularly successful. This should be a lesson for the haters that patient, careful and undramatic actions will win the day. The next task is to judge when is best to bring down the govt. No doubt Binners will be along soon though to say it was all down to Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper.

Of course Corbyn has seen off 2 Tory PMs and now has Johnson by the balls

ROTFLMAO. That was the joke going around 6 months or so:

“Prime ministers come and go but Jeremy Corbyn will be leader of the opposition forever.”

Its a shame too many of you believe the lies in the press / media about Corbyn
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html?fbclid=IwAR3-e6BCxiduVkVQGj7OU_XCBm5C9xu1haBwIGhYkjVOyzsATjbvkBLwuf8

I did enjoy the Mash Report headline last night:

“Jeremy Corbyn is considering entering politics full-time”

😂

Its a shame too many of you believe the lies in the press / media about Corbyn
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html?fbclid=IwAR3-e6BCxiduVkVQGj7OU_XCBm5C9xu1haBwIGhYkjVOyzsATjbvkBLwuf8

It’s all his own fault for making himself not unmisprepresentable enough. If he was just playing the game by taking bungs from fracking companies and going to New Age Corporate Strategy Retreats, everything would be great and the media would be nice to him.

Of course, if Corbyn had resigned 6 months ago and been replaced by any reasonable moderate [1] Labour would be within two months of winning a landslide. As things stand a narrow defeat is a real possibility.

[1] And I appreciate that, politically, that might not have been an option for him.