Going great, isn’t it comrade?

I like how Corbynites have completely abandoned their bunker mentality.

There you go again, chucking about the word “comrade” as if it’s an insult

Taking the piss out of Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funny.

Solidarity, comrade Binski!

Bore off or get some new material.

Zero chance.

Boris has tipped the Momentum faithful the secret wink to thank them for their support in keeping Jezza in ‘power’ and clearing his path…

Corbyn peaked at the last election. First of the losers.

Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funn

“Cosplay Commies” had me aspirating my coffee. Is this a CFH original?

I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.

I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.

Yeah, down with people wanting an equal society where decision are based on what is good for society as a whole rather than rich individuals

Then make the case for it! Its what most people want.

But they’re not going to get it from a party that totally refuses to engage with any other form of media other than Twitter. That is consistently silent on Brexit and the issues facing the country, even when faced with a vile, self-serving far-right Tory party led by a self-serving narcissistic buffoon who’s hell-bent on lining his rich mate’s pockets as he crashes us out of the EU

With an open goal once again yawning in front of them, as Johnson stuffs his cabinet full of extremist Brexiteers, the leader of the Labour party yet again takes his run-up to, reliable as ever, spoon it into row Z

This is what the bearded ****-wit has on his mind right now

Everyone should have the right to basic protections from working in unbearably hot conditions.

In government we'll demand that employers look after their workers during heatwaves like this.#heatwavehttps://t.co/tXyRqfKh8o

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) July 25, 2019

FFS!!! What planet are they on in the bunker? It’d actually be hilarious if the implications weren’t so tragic for us all.

Boris and his team must be on their knees thanking the lord that this laughably irrelavent idiocy is what passes for their ‘opposition’

Yeah, down with people wanting an equal society where decision are based on what is good for society as a whole rather than rich individuals

The problem historically has been that if you tax/punish/purge all your rich (successful, talented) individuals they leave and you lose their output. …and then you need to build a wall to stop the last few leaving because you need them. ….and as new talented people come up they can’t be bothered because if everyone is equal there’s no benefit to producing more than the slackers. and if there’s no carrot then the only motivator left is the stick. And all of that makes life rather miserable for everyone.

So cranberry’s point is spot on. Why does Britain have to be the experiment? Why not try it somewhere else and if it works, great we can all do it. I suspect the answer to that is, it has been tried and it’s been a disaster so even Cosplay Commies (love it) realize that (like it or not) meritocracy trumps equality every time.

Cosplay Commies

Do they dress up and go to Commie-Con?

I think that what we need is a form of overseas service for the wannabe revolutionaries- send them off to somewhere where their policies are enacted for 6 months, then let them come back to the joys of a capitalist society and its so-called yankee imperialist running-dog toilet paper to see if they have done any learning and growing.

The socialist paradise of Venezuela has freed up some space recently. They’d need to take their pets.

We’re just pretending Scandinavia doesn’t exist?

Socialism = Venezuela and no other country?

I wouldn’t worry about this country moving too far left for you (in my option it could move a long long way in that direction now before any of you’d have any real reason for concern at all) because in the biggest week for the Leader Of The Opposition for years… he seems to be happy to keep his powder dry ‘till September. By when, I’m pretty sure it’ll just result in a damp fizz when lit, even if he does give it a good go. Slow, missing, unappealing to most. New Leader time. Right now. It’s already too late.

Socialism = Venezuela and no other country?

Feel free to suggest somewhere.

Scandinavia is a meritocracy just like any other western democracy.

ffs the merits or otherwise of Corbyn as “leader” of the “opposition” (not much leading and v little opposing) have got very little to do with the merits or otherwise of socialism/social democracy.

The issue’s not the policies, it’s the fact that you need to get to be able to enact them. this seems highly unlikely with Corb in charge.

this seems highly unlikely with Corb in charge.

Agree, and it feels to me like someone average like an Ed Milliband would comfortably win and a Chukka or David Milliband would get a landslide.

The only thing stopping Labour being a dead cert for a landslide right now is Momentum/Corbyn.

Scandinavia is a meritocracy just like any other western democracy.

It is a mixed economy like any successful country. The further you move to one extreme or another the more issues you face.

Chukka or David Milliband would get a landslide.

No, they really wouldnt. Blair knew this thats why he left when he did. Got the praise and left the mess behind for others to deal with. That mess including all those people who felt left behind and ignored by Labour chasing the tories every rightwards.

Taking the piss out of Cosplay Commies calling each other comrade will never not be funny.

Solidarity, comrade Binski!

Meanwhile, Boris stuffs his cabinet full of those who like a nicely polished jackboot.
Maybe they should get Hugo Boss to design them some nice uniforms? Black is very flattering.

Corbyn has failed.
But not because of his policies, but because he is an ineffectual eternal sixth former.

People who claim to be Labour supporters and would rather throw buckets of shit from the sidelines rather than, you know, actually get involved and do something about changing things don’t help either.

It is a mixed economy like any successful country.

So is the Uk.

We’re looking for examples of Equality/Socialism being the way forward. We already know that capitalist meritocracies work fairly well.

We’re looking for examples of Equality/Socialism being the way forward.

Post war, pre 1979 UK.

We already know that capitalist meritocracies work fairly well.

Well that depends who you are.

Currently those in charge are actively punishing the most vulnerable members of society
If you are happy to benefit from the suffering of others, then I can see how you would think that.

Post war, pre 1979 UK.

There wasn’t equality in the UK in 1978, it wasn’t socialist and it was still a meritocracy.

Apart from that, great example!

Post war, pre 1979 UK.

Back when indoor plumbing, cars, heating, and TVs were a middle class luxury? We only had 3 TV channels and black and white TVs, and intermittent power outages. No internet. No amazon.

You want to go back to that? How about moving to Venezuela?

Back when indoor plumbing, cars, heating, and TVs were a middle class luxury? We only had 3 TV channels and black and white TVs, and intermittent power outages. No internet. No amazon.

You want to go back to that? How about moving to Venezuela?

….and how many working class people went to Uni back then?

…but it’s academic because (as abysmal as it was) it wasn’t an example of a country where everyone was “equal”.

We’re looking for examples of Equality/Socialism being the way forward. We already know that capitalist meritocracies work fairly well.

No we dont. We know mixed economies work.
As for capitalist which variant do you mean?
As for meritocracy. That definitely hasnt been tried.

But equality was actively pursued. As was the principle of helping the most vulnerable.

As opposed to today, where our current leaders are increase inequality and punishing the worst off.

And if Corbyn is a Commie, which the right wingers insist is true, that makes all pre ’79 governments of whatever flavour Commies too.

and how many working class people went to Uni back then?

And how many people now think that was a bad idea?
Most on here are happy to have benefited, but are in a huge rush to pull up the ladder so they can pay less tax.
Make your minds up.

No we dont. We know mixed economies work.

Yup, then I said capitalist I did indeed mean mixed. So great, we’re already a mixed economy all is well without us kicking all the useful people out in the interests of equality.

As opposed to today, where our current leaders are increase inequality

Eh? In 1979 I would not have to to Uni. What percentage of people owned their own homes in 1979. The UK is *way* more equal now than it was in 1979. But yes, it’s not equal, so we all still have an incentive to put more in and produce more. That why it works.

We’re looking for examples of successful countries where everyone is equal.

We’re still waiting.

Yup, then I said capitalist I did indeed mean mixed

Ah so you meant something complete different. Thats useful.

So great, we’re already a mixed economy all is well without us kicking all the useful people out in the interests of equality.

I have no idea what you are going on about here.
As for useful people. I think you are confusing highly paid with useful. The two arent always correlated.

What percentage of people owned their own homes in 1979.

55% compared to 65% now. As a fair amount of housing was effectively given away only to be leased back more expensively this gives a burden on the government not to mention private renters.

You might be.

Not everyone is naive enough to think that is possible.

What most sensible people strive for is equality of opportunity.

And post 79 Tories have consistently paid lip service to this ideal, whilst their policies have attempted to achieve the exact opposite.

55% compared to 65% now. As a fair amount of housing was effectively given away only to be leased back more expensively this gives a burden on the government not to mention private renters.

Yep, think it is even lower now at 63% so without the right to buy fiasco probably no change from the seventies so not a great measure for any capitalist ‘success’

And for those that think capitalism is successful you must see all the problems where it creates a society that simply doesn’t give a shit about others as long as you are okay. I would guess you are also in that camp.

Of course trying to accept that and increase equality must equal a failed socialist state. There cannot be anything in between…

We’re looking for examples of successful countries where everyone is equal.

As RustySpanner has pointed out you are demanding evidence for a scenario that no one is arguing for.
As a, claimed, believer in meritocracy you should be in firm agreement with them about equality of opportunity since that is the only way you can get a meritocratic society. Although the downsides of the rather extreme level equality of opportunity would need to be taken to would put most sensible people off.

They had Commie Con – it was called Jezfest, or for the true believers, Jizzfest.

It was all about how this time, socialism will work, certainly, not like all of those failed attempts of the past that weren’t really *true* socialism.

They produced nothing and peed money up the wall, which is a little bit too ironic.

We’re looking for examples of successful countries where everyone is equal.

While we’re waiting, can you supply a list of unsuccessful countries where everyone is equal?

While we’re waiting, can you supply a list of unsuccessful countries where everyone is equal?

East Germany is an obvious example. When you have to build a wall to stop people getting *out* you really have to accept you’ve failed.

Everyone was “equal” in the GDR? What are you on about?

Anyways… a mixed economy is what we have… how much that includes public services supplied based on need not ability to pay is a big discussion… as is what falls into the realm of public services, and who provides them, and if they should be a way of encouraging a meritocracy rather than allowing inherited position and wealth to embed privilege.

But this is all irrelevant, while Labour is neutered as it is by a leader who should have moved to another role two years ago. Parliament will be closed soon, and after the summer, the move even further to the right will really take off… at speed… to much outcry by politicians that have allowed Corbyn to “wait for the right moment”. It will be too late.

Anyone have a theory on why Corbyn is staying on. He doesn’t want the job, The Corbynistas have calmed down to a point where he could walk away without one of his troops torching his house. John McDonnell has identified several people who the the leadership/Momentum would be happy to take over.

So why hasn’t he gone and given his party a decent chance in the next election? Is it just to keep Unite happy? Or is he banking on a late election and holding on ’till the last minute to take as much flak for his successor? Or is he holding on to stop a remainer getting the leadership?

Theories?

Latest ‘who would make the best PM’ polling from Yougov
Allotment Bigot – 20
Mop topped ass – 38
Don’t know – 38

#LongGame